This was race was more exciting on the first lap alone than the whole of the Euro GP the other week. There were tussles going on all over the track from the start to the finish, and proved once again why Spa is such a good place to race. Great entertainment.
As soon as Lewis Hamilton span at the beginning of the race it looked like it was going to be all Raikkonen. And it was, until the rain came down and he backed off, into the oncoming Hamilton.
Lewis overtook through the chicane, let Kimi back through, then overtook him again properly and made it stick. Then Kimi binned it into the wall and that was that. All with only a lap and a half to go.
It certainly seems like Kimi’s title fight is over, and Lewis proved his worth in awful conditions. He risked everything and won they day, and you can’t ask for more than that.
But as for the rest of the field, there’s just not enough room here to talk about it all, so I’ll hand over to you…
It’ld be really interesting to see how Kimi is gonna perform for the rest of the season. Would be more interesting to see where he’ll end up next year!
“Kimi’s not motivated” they say! “Kimi’s gonna retire” they say! if you’re not motivated you are not gonna lead most of the race after fighting past 3 people (ok, lewis span, but still). I hope this race fires him up more for Monza. Really sorry for Bourdais though, but amazing job from heidfeld to come from nowhere to 3rd! Top work! Best race of the year, by far! Apart from the result…
I just realised if Massa would have had pitted along with Heidfeld, Alonso and the other guys, he could have had ended up winning the damn race!
best race of the year? yes. just yes.
Also, if the (lets give Ferrari all the help we can, biased FIA) do anything to try and change the result re the bus stop chicane ‘incident’, I will be straight down to number 8 Place de la Concorde!!
Hamilton is the man for the Job. Hamilton for the Title.
Best race of the year, Lewis should clinch the title soon now…
Big shame though cause what he did was unfair his ’shortcut’ clearly changed the race’s result. I’m a huge fan and i expected a proper overtake. He had the pace and the time to do it, this was just so disappointing to mar a great victory this way.
He s still a boy though he ll learn, go lewis
man u guys why r u pissed at lewis…after all he did and awesome job…if kimi was better than lewis y the hell did he crash…
WOW!!! Those final laps were just spectacular. Race of the season by far…a 10,000x less sleep-inducing than Valencia!! Silly Kimi though…but Hamilton saw his advantage and took it when he got the harder tires on and the rain started…Well Done him!!
totally agree with everything you say, furious finn
This GP was the perfect antidote to the awfulness which was Valencia!I’ll let the other posters talk about Lewis et al but I must say ‘well done’to Bourdais(unlucky at the end!)-he didn’t get mentioned much but he’s proved he can be a match for the brilliant Vettel,as well as putting Kubica in the shade.Watch this man:he’s found his feet at last and as long as he’s in a good car he’s going to kick some serious arse.:) Monza-can’t wait!
i don t know why kimi crashed i wasn t in the car if i m honest
but well, the damaged front wing (which would have never been damaged hadn t lewis cut through the bus sop chicane) plus an obvious driving mistake (which might also had never happened hadn t he lost his cool when seeing how hamilton overtook him)
Hamilton just demonstrated what real car control is, and Raikkonen just demonstrated what chocking is.
Hamilton went out wide as he had no choice, then gave kimi the lead back, nipped on the inside and despite kimi’s best efforts ducked in and did him – end of! Superior car control on the wrong tyres and a level head won Hamilton this race – alongside the fact he’s got it sorted when the rain comes!
Fantastic race. Hamilton put in a real stunner today and really forced Raikonnen to lose it. Credit to McClaren for letting Hamilton keep his foot in instead of shutting it down for the next race. I just love Spa, Eau Rouge is still breathtaking (especially from the driver’s view), lots of passing opportunities, and unpredictable weather. I’m blown away by the last stint between Kimi and Lewis.
Raikonnen needs to learn to control his temper. He was every bit hamilton’s equal until hamilton got ahead, then he let his temper take over and make mistakes. Lewis made mistakes too, but he’s still a rookie in comparison. And at the end of the day, it was the experienced Finn who hit the wall, not Hamilton.
The most basic rule of racing is this: To finish first, first you have to finish. Kimi knew this all along, right up to the moment where he lost his temper.
i agree with furious finn
if hamilton wins it will ruin the sport…for e.g in monaco..he won on behalf of a mistake he himself made and good timing…he didnt deserve it…he didnt deserve todays win he got lucky again.. the overtakeing manourver on kimi was out of order…
i really really hope massa wins the title, and i think kimis chances are over unfortunatly and he should bak his team-mate…if lewis wins this year..i will stop watching f1
to furious finn 2
please stop watching .
I now see what all Finns seem to have in common – they all are terrible losers.
Bill, Kimi’s front wing was damaged because he used it to punt off Lewis at the chicane.
Amazing to see Toro Rosso as fast as BMW, wouldn’t have imagined that 3 months ago.
My god that was 1 of the most exciting races iv ever seen in my life – the last few laps didnt just have me on the edge of my seat – i was standing up screaming at the TV! Shame about the result tho – even if you think that Hamilton deserved the win (which i dont) you cant say that Kimi deserved to crash out. Well at least it shows that Kimi’s back on form – tho sadly its come too late really – just as long as Hamilton doesnt win the title tho…
I think that Hamilton deserves it, I think had Kimi done better in previous races he would hav closed the race before the last stop and that goes to show that Hamilton is a great driver no matter what any1 says he deserves it from his last few performances and including last year
I’m not a “Hamilton-Whore” I was a fan of McLaren even before the Hakkinen days.
feel sorry for kimi..
exiting race. hamilton won it so my guess is he deserved it.
however title fight is still on
and kimi is on form – a shame for a slower car though
i am confident that hamilton will loose it again..
dont you just hate the way he thinks that he owns that already-so full of shit that sweet talking man..
There is nothing as beautiful as a Ferrari in a wall!!!! Lewis rocks!!!!!!! Whooooo hooooo
I think kimi did the right thing in attacking with all he could, both he and kojak jr. were not backing up and they both would have fought each other of the track if kimi wouldn’t have lost control.
Well, this race goes in the same bin as Spain 2001 and Nürburgring 2005…
can’t help but think it would have been better for hamilton if kimi had finished…..another 2 points over massa plus ferrari in-team squabbling. i can’t believe some people seem to think massa is more deserving of a title than hamilton….his results depend entirely on the performance of his car,where lewis has pulled out results when the mclaren has clearly been the inferior package…plus massa in the rain is a joke.
Massa in the rain a joke? When will you Brits stop hazing him. He didnt make a single mistake the whole race, and Hamilton spun twice, and went wide three times.
“iv never been overtaken on the Outside – in fact i hardly get overtaken at all” – This is the reason i don’t like Hamilton – all the arrogance. (and um 1st lap!)
And yeah hes a good driver but most of his wins have come from mistakes r bad luck for others – normally the weather as well – i mean hes a good driver, especially in the wet but where as Kimi just seems genuinely faster than everyone else when hes on form Hamilton always seems to have to muscle his way past them – eg today.
didn’t make any mistakes except being consistantly slower and staying behind despite lewis’ problems. and i was referring to silvestone and other past races anyway. Kimi is still clearly number one at ferarri imo and the thought of him driving back up for massa makes me sick.
Finns are sore losers,well done lewis best finale for years I was sitting on the edge of my seat and my heart was pounding.Anyway are FIA (ferrraris international alliance) going to back them again Kimi rear ending,kimis dangerous exhaust,filipis dangerous pit driving,you can see it happening.
I used to follow Ferrari until Ron and co got that lot last year but alligence has changed COME ON MCCLARENS COME ON LEWIS.
While I wouldn’t call Massa in the rain a joke, please remember Furious Finn that he did spin FIVE times in the rain at Silverstone. While you say Massa didn’t make a mistake in the whole race, he wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire with his laps?
You’re so bias towards Kimi it’s not funny, I may be an Englishman, but I don’t support Hamilton because he is English, think about that sir.
…start and finish of the year. the middle bit wasn’t quite so good.
i would still put money on kimi finishing the season with more points than massa providing team orders don’t get in his way (which unfortunately they blatantly will) he made up 17 points in the last 2 races last year. No chance of beating lewis on current form though.
Why do so many people despise Hamilton? He’s a good driver and if he gets the title this year it will be well deserved, hes had some tremendous races. I like all the drivers other than Piquet, he just seems to lack results every time. I can’t help cheering for Lewis though.
I haven’t seen the Belgian GP yet because I live in America and America doesn’t believe in Formula 1 on television so I have to wait for a copy online. From what I’ve been hearing though it’ll be the best to see this season besides Singapore. Looking forward to the rest of the season!
watch online at itv.com/f1……..or is that a uk only website?
People hate lewis because he is black.
Are there any black or foreign players in your favourite football team?
Well I’m english and support McMerc, however I was sad to see Kimi in the wall… it would have been nice for him to win and even things up at Ferrari. It will be sickening to watch if Kimi who is a true racer not just a media and sponsor puppet, has to be rear gunner for Massa for the rest of the year. I know massa has been getting the points this year; but I can’t help thinking he isn’t good enough to drive a ferrari and is only really there to keep the money in the family.
As long as McLaren win and f don’t I’m happy. Seeing the rage, despondency and depression of f’s supporters gives me the greatest pleasure though.
That was so cool! I’ve not been that excited about anything for ages. Hats off to Lewis.
But then he would do well in the wet, because he’s British. Rain is all we know!
Comiserations to Kimi and Seb. Räikkönen for not quite holding it, and Bourdais for just losing out on a 3rd place. I swear Heidfeld is just a madman in the wet though! He was like that at Silverstone too when it started bucketing down.
But as for that chicane fiasco between the two lead cars, there’s absolutely no way that Hamilton could in anyway be punished. It was perfectly acceptable and he took the necessary action. If the FIA showed buyism towards Ferrari this time, they couldn’t possibly get away with it.
the best race of the season! but yeah shame on the results though but no matter its still great to watch..the finns were unlucky at the race both heikki and kimi didn’t finish…i think theres a cheap solution for an entertaining race..put water and slicks, they go together well
good call wobbletastic
Lewis did a great job today, he deserves to win the championship! Lets hope he does! I just love the fight between McLaren Mercedes and Ferrari Scuderia
GO MCLAREN MERCEDES
Lewis outdrove the icicle, end of story…
i concede that hamilton is a good driver and a talented one, but i still root for kimi tho, he really showed he’s d champ when ferrari hit that sweet spot in their car, but unfortunately the iceman melted under pressure.. feel sorry for him, once a fanboy always a fanboy!!!
Good job for Lewis. It looked extremely twitchy in the last lap. I must say though, I feel sorry for Webber, who was doing rather well until Hekki hit him. Then again, if Hekki had cooled down a bit, and with his pace, he could have gotten a podium. Also, great split second move by Heidfeld – it’s decisions like these that give you points.
I may paint my wall Ferrari red, the colour is growing on me after seeing it so many times this year.:)
Sometimes I do wonder if this is the Raikkonen fan club site or something?
Hamilton was 6 point in lead form the championship form Massa, he didn’t to take this risk as the end. anybody else would have just saved it for the next race. but he didn’t because a true racer, you would see Kimi doing that would you?
is lewis gets a penalty I will be really annoyed.
Hamilton given 25sec. penalty, stripped of win, down to third behind Massa and Heidfeld. What a joke. Should just give the championship to Ferrari at the start of the season and not bother with the racing.
Not only do I have little respect for Massas driving ability… but the fact that he is under the wing of M Schumacher makes it even worse. Perhaps that’s where he gets his pathetic excuses and ability to blame others from.
lewis penalized. Massa won.
F(errari)I A ?
If that’s true they may as well just hand Ferrari a few extra points now as well, heck the FIA may as well give torro rosso a few extra ones too and put them second.
i dont f’in believe it they’ve penalised hamilton. what a joke
Hibbard says: Hamilton “overtook him again properly and made it stick”.
I think that should be Your last words in F1 section. I think F1 is too difficult subject for You.
Greetings
Thats right, justice has been made.
Massa is the winner and will become champion
This is a sad day for sportsmanship and fair play.
worst decision ever…..hamilton gave kimi the place back, and even if he hadn’t kimi crashed out so it didn’t affect the race result regardless. i actually can’t fathom how the fia has come to this conclusion..
Love to know what Hamilton should have done, maybe get out of the car & offer an apology?
What a way to win a race though; knowing you were not good enough to win and still being handed the points. It should be an empty victory, but somehow I doubt he’ll see it that way.
Bullsh*t of the highest order.
Hamilton didn’t gain an advantage, quite obviously, if Raikkonen overtook Lewis on a straight, Lewis was going slower than Kimi, this means no advantage was gained.
If we’re going to get as picky as this, why haven’t the FIA banned Raikkonen from motorsport for life for swerving ever so slightly on the pit straight?
you brits are unbelievable… your brat is constantly adding new and crass infraction to F1 and you cheer him on like you are watching some spoof version of Fast & Furious…
What the hell, next time why McLaren doesn’t just mount a minigun on the nose of his bloody car and let him shoot other drivers out of the track altogether?!?
Come on folks, get a grip…
Have the FIA penalised the driver who came back on to the track in front of Hamilton & forced him off so that he lost the lead?
fastpete are you serious….how the hell was there any infraction when he let kimi take the place back…next time why don’t you mount miniguns to the tip of ferarris collective phalluses as they slip them into your mouth and blow your brains out?
“anyone got any knowledge of making letter bombs/fia hq address?” i have just set up a petition on uk gov website, requesting the government to eliminate the FIA
i cant believe it this happened! it is not fair! lewis doesn’t deserve to be punished! STUPID FIA! I hate them!
That was some Fight!
Massa won?!!!
Wow… Haha!!!!!!!!!
All i can do is laugh a little more!!!!!!
WTF?? the only website that says hamilton’s received a penalty is on the beeb website, not the FIA website and not bernies f1 site so what is going on?
to all anti-hamilton finns, hamilton never lost his cool and he won this race fair and square, Kimi is a great driver, but he lost his temper at cruicial times on more occassions this season.
Lewis might have been lucky in monaco, but dont forget his splendid drives in Australia,Silverstone,Ger many and this belgium.By no means this win can be put down to luck, as a good driver has to be good whatever the condition/situation.
This is outrageous. Hamilton let Raikkonen back through to take the lead and then as Hamilton overtook into the hairpin Raikkonen nudged into the back of him!
And Hamilton gets the penalty?
It’s not even a conspiracy anymore rather than plain fact that the stewards and the f.i.a are supporting Ferrari. Ferrari wouldn’t have been investigated and even if they would have done the most they would have gotten is a 10 place grid drop in the next race or something small like that.
Formula1 = No racing and all politics now.
hamilton shudnt be punished he gave the positiopn back and overtaked fair and squure. ferrari have commeted many offences and escaped. first was raikomnnen in monaco then in france that hot exhuast could have fell of anf burnt somebody. then there was valencia rakionnen injured a man. the FIA stands for FERRARI INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITY. always standing up for ferrari.
And on another note. how would that incident have changed the course of the race results?
Raikkonen took the lead back and then promptly spun. And then he crashed. Meaning he didn’t finish and has nothing to gain from this.
Well done f.i.a. Another penalty well misplaced
Hamilton gave back the place, but used the momentom out of the corner to take it back, thats bad sportsmanship. I hope Massa wins the title this year, not because i hate Hamilton, but because he deserves it. Massa has had a tough time through F1, he was only given a supporting role every year, and got paid far less that half the F1 field, ferrari haven’t rewarded him, but now they will, giving him the championship.
Looks like the decision has been made…
http://www.formula1.com/n ews/headlines/2008/9/8334 .html
Massa is only 2 points behind Lewis now as Lewis has been moved down to 3rd.
LOL!!!!
It was sorta poor that Lewis had to lose 2 places that way… But then again
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I wonder what the FIA would have done if massa had stuck his car in the wall too? My bet is that they would have red flagged the race and taken the results from the previous time across the finishing line and then added 25 seconds onto Hamiltons time thus still gifting the win to Ferrari.
Charlie. how can a driver gain momentum by having to slow down to let a driver back through to take the lead? Thats complete and utter crap that is.
It is indeed true that Hamilton has been handed 25 sec penalty, its the worst decision ever, and FIA are ought to hang themselves.
Ferrari are pulling every dirty trick along with FIA against lewis and mclaren.
the fia will always favour ferrari. lkast race they were handend a fine. massa should have got a penalty. what happened to mirror signal manuvaure. massa shuld check mirrors before moving off. just because a light is green it doesnt mean it safe to go. when traffic light are green there cud be a pedestrian still crossing. FERRARI INTERNATION AUTHORITY……..
“People hate lewis because he is black.
Are there any black or foreign players in your favourite football team?”
Rubbish – some people might but i think most of the people who dont like him either
a) supported somebody else first, or
b) dont like his arrogant attitude
and come on – doesnt this just mean the next 5 races are going to be as exciting as hell?
Why is it that it is always in Ferrari’s favour, One day the Fia and the stewards will realise that we don’t want to see a red car win!!!
No the next 5 races are going to be completely political in order for Ferrari to get the championship again. No matter if they have to win it by the Fia penalising Hamilton for every slight thing.
The FIA might as well hand Ferrari the championship title and dont waste other teams money and so many people’s efforts.
I completely agree with f1 fanatic.
I’m debating whether to watch the next few races. It’s pretty pointless when you know who’ll win the championship at the end. fairly or not.
its sad, having watched the sport for 10 years, i’ve never seen such a disgraceful season when it comes to the FIA. i cant f;in believe it. its ridiculous
Is there any way to write to FIA, or does anyone know if Mclaren are going to appeal against this decision(which would be useless considering FIA).But in the interest of the sport there should be some higher authority than FIA.
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Hamilton deserved his win. He handed the lead back to Kimi on the final straight after being FORCED OFF THE TRACK BY KIMI! After this he made a fair challenge and won, coming out in first.
Why weren’t Ferarri penalized for the Massa-Sutil pit-lane incident, FiA [which must now stand for Ferrari's international Advantage]? Why wasn’t Raikonnen penalized for rear-ending Hamilton on the hairpin? Why wasn’t Kimi penalized for staying off the track in order to gain an advantage over Lewis after that Williams got in the way?
Kimi crashed out anyway, and his championship hopes went the same way as his car’s nosecone, so I don’t see how this will help him in any way.
Massa and Raikonnen are both great drivers, and they both have great cars, there’s no doubting that. I just feel that Raikonnen’s temper can get the better of him sometimes, this being one of those times, and I am sad that the FiA wont recognise this.
Let me make this clear. I am not a Hamilton glory-seeker. I am a Renault and Red Bull Renault man myself, but I can’t stand to see the FiA so blatantly ignoring the facts in order to give Ferrari an unfair advantage!
The lack of interest in F1 in America has been analyzed by car magazine writers as due to its absence of overtaking maneuvers and wheel to wheel action. Some even termed F1 as a “procession” and suggested that winning is dependent more on pit strategy. So far, the rest of the world does not agree with the American assessment. However, this fiasco proved the validity of this opinion. It appears that the gentlemanly, safety conscious and sportsmanlike F1 is destined by its rules and application to be dull. I, for one, no longer look forward to watching it ever. I hope the sponsors take note, too.
Any penalty to Rosberg yet?
I know he didn’t finish in front of a Ferrari but he nearly took out both the leading cars on lap 43.
you guys need to get your heads out of your arses. i m a fan of hamilton too but it was because of the ‘incident’ that he passed Raikkonen. It s as simple as that. He didn t let him pass again properly(although there is a question as to how ‘letting someone past you’ is defined) and if that hadn t happened he would still be second. As simple as that.
I highly disagree with FIA s decision which obviously goes Ferrari s way, but those of you that know better I m sure understand that this could work out better in the long run for Lewis if he learns how to behave properly on a race track.
(Although judging from the frequency his name is being discussed by the officials during races, this day may be far…)
Still races are won and lost on the circuit and Hamilton won today. They should give him like a 10 position penalty on next race s grid. Or even start from the pit lane. Or fine him a gzillion pounds. Or even make him drive with his eyes tied or something, you SHOULDN T change what happened on the racetrack. It s bad for the sport.
If we feel so frustrated at this, cant imagine how the team and driver would feel about this.
Shame on Ferrari!!!!For protesting for nothing.
Hamilton wasn’t forced off the track by Kimi.
He decided to cut the corner cuz he was too excited in overtaking Kimi.
He could have had slowed down, stayed on track and given the lead back to Kimi while he could again chase him down and overtake him over the next laps. He certainly had the speed for it.
But he didn’t and decided to just cut straight across the corner to take the win.
He got the penalty. Its pretty fair from FIA.
All that can be said is WTF? to the FIA and their Ferrari-fellating ways! I’m no expert but it would seem that Hamilton cut the chicane to avoid repeating Webber’s performance! Afterwards he let Raikkonnen through, as mandated by the rules.
Let us imagine for a moment what would have transpired if their positions had been reversed and Kimi was trying to overtake Lewis. Nothing? Probably….
THATS IT….. CAN’T BE BOTHERED TO WATCH F1 RACING ANYMORE… NO POINT… FIA BIAS. AND I’VE GOT EVERY RACE RECORDED SINCE 1980
“He could have had slowed down, stayed on track and given the lead back to Kimi “……..I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what did happen alf
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If using someone slipstream is an unfaif advantage, Massa did the same against hamilton in the german grandprix(though unsuccessful).If massa has passed hamilton using his slipstream would the FIA still say that it was wrong.I bet NOOO!
by the way whoever says that Hamilton was ‘forced out of the track by Kimi’, dude, are you not even ashamed to be writing this on the internet ??
are you like Lewis’s best friend or have you just got no idea about racing ?
s_c_p, probably. maybe. ok, maybe not. ok, no. (Massa’s address can be got off his website….) but i am not promoting any form of explosion at all! just a (typically british) stiff letter!
THE FIA WAS JUST BEING STUPID AND THE TEAMS SHOULD BAND TOGETHER AND OUTLAW THEMSELVES FROM THE FIA AND SHOULD SETUP IN RUSSIA (BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO LINKS WITH ANYTHING IN F1) THE FGB THE (FORMULA ONE GOVERNING BODY)AND MAKE SHORE THEY HAVE 2 REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH COUNTRY TO MAKE SHORE THEY HAVE NO FAVORITISM.
If it had been gravel instead, Lewis would have been stucked in that corner…
Anyway, he had nothing to loose…
Kimi never forced lewis out of the track he kept his racing line fair and square and after that cutting corners lewis did let kimi throught and then overtook him. Everything that happened on Track was fair and square except FIA’s off track antics.
7. Dom said…
Sunday September 7, 2008 at 3:13 pm
‘Also, if the (lets give Ferrari all the help we can, biased FIA) do anything to try and change the result re the bus stop chicane ‘incident’, I will be straight down to number 8 Place de la Concorde!!’
I predicted some sort of penalty a full 2 HOURS before the FIA did. I shouldn’t be able to do this!! I should be able to have faith in the FIA and the ’sportsmanship’ they follow. Sadly, as this prediction proves, bias is still with us.
as much as i agree USELESS FIA ARE DUMB, i find it hard to take opinions seriously when you call someone else dumb IN CAPITAL LETTERS WITH NO PUNCTUATION WHATSOEVER
Seriously?! What the hell? New stewards please…. none that belong to Ferrari.
What a piss poor decision!
and as far as people hating Hamilton because he’s black… that’s crap.
Here in the US just about every player on every team in (american)football are black.
I dont follow football, soccer or baseball though, waste of time.
also i feel if you have loads of talent and have the results to prove it like hamilton does, he has the right to be a little arrogant and cocky, he’s been showing the other drivers he doesnt want to be the cliché new kid and start out small and in back. he wants to be right in front from the get-go and hes doing that and not backing down.
That’s absolutely ridiculous that Massa has been handed the victory. I wonder how much Ferrari are paying the FIA every time something like this happens… also when Kovalinien was trying to overtake Mark Webber today, you can clearly see he’s made a mistake in braking too late and he’s tried to get out of it, but the only way not to drive into the back of him was to go up the inside, and yet he’s punished?! For what would usually be a ‘racing accident’. And then Raikkonen doesn’t get punished when he takes out Sutil in Monaco because he also couldn’t avoid him?! FIA deserve to be shot.
What rubbish. How else can you give back a place??!! It was a racing incident, by which no advantage was picked up. Hamilton had his nose infront going into the hairpin, and gave the place back to Kimi after HE WAS FORCED off the track. Yes he got into the slipstream afterwards, so what thats racing!! Im a huge fan of the sport, but the FIA are ruining it with absurd decisions (always AGAINST Mclaren), oh, and how didnt kimi get a penalty for clearly picking up an advantage by going off track around turn 10 and 11. Its not a sport if its rigged to one teams favour (give you a hint, they are in red). Well, at least the FIAs team car hit the wall.
FERRARI INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITY!!!
It’s all wrong!
when approaching matters like this i always like to be as balanced and fair as possible….
“how can a driver gain momentum by having to slow down to let a driver back through to take the lead?” – i support this comment 100%, the laws of physics dont allow it – you must be going slower than the other car if you are being overtaken, therefore you have less momentum.
Theres alot of talk of the FIA being biased. Exploring both sides of the equation – i hope we arent being biased toward Lewis just because we are British. I would like to think the Italien Ferrari fans are as confused and dissapointed by the FIAs’ decision.
good call orange, forgot about kimi’s little excursion and resulting advantage off track…strange the marshalls didn’t notice that one
The truth is, hamilton let kimi pass but but in a way that was obvious he was going to overtake on the next corner as he was in his draft, if FIA had been given time they would have given him a drive through penalty which would be the same.
MASSA RULES, MASSA I BRAZIL BACK ON TOP OF F1
MASSA SUCKS BALLS
just had to get that out there
but in seriousness the FIA got it all wrong. and well said orange, raikkonen did gain an advantage off track. if any1 does blow up the FIA, then congratulations on making the world a better place:)!!
I’m super happy that massa won but i didnt understand the result at all if hamilton did cut through the chicane and let kimi back in, then came right back… why was he penalised? and kimi ran a good race
Rubbish! Lewis passed Kimi, then gave him back his place, just, and passed him again all of that before ONE corner. When that kind of thing happens, like it happened with Alonso a few times, he lets the one who was overtaken pass, and stays behind through the first corner. It was fair, just like Massa’s punishment in 2007 Canadian GP was, he passed the pit’s red light, no argument with that, if he saw the red light or not, that’s something else. I root for Massa. I am brazilian of course. I am happy with his new points, but I don’t think he is though. I wouldn’t, because no competitor likes to win a GP OUT of the track.
I’m not a little bit sad about Kimi hitting the wall. He got hot headed and punched the throtle, that’s what he gets; a big juicy wall.
Never a brazilian was favored by FIA, not even Senna, the FIA president of 1989, Jean Marie, took his gained and well deserved title and gave it to Prost in Suzuka. So don’t come saying that “Massa is being favored by FIA” because he’s not. Almost no one here is giving credits to Massa, yes he didn’t do well in Silverstone, wrong tyres, but he’s doing brilliantly this year, except a few races. This year’s canadian GP is proof of that.
Lewis is a great driver, but lacks feeling for the rules of F1 and IS VERY arrogant. He’s brilliant at going fast, but he’s not so brilliant when it comes to patience. He could have passed Kimi again if he let him stay in the front by the first corner and then trying to overtake him again, Lewis was faster than him. His punishment was well deserved.
What Hamilton and Kovaleinen ought to do now is kick the fair Scuderia’s arse on the track in Monza fair and square, so there can be no whinging from Modena or the Place de la Concorde!
f1 fanatic-on http://www.formula1.com they say mclaren plan to appeal the penalty. dont know if any good will come of it unless mclaren use pliers on the FIA’s fingernails but, i hope mclaren will knock some sense into the FIA Ferrari lovers brains. clearly a poor decision by them.
and hamilton is a monster haha absolute beast
I’m speechless – I dont understand what else Hamilton could have done to have ‘fairly’ given advantage back to Kimi. Put it this way – at the moment that Lewis HAD TO (yes had to, watch the replays) leave the track, he and Kimi were wheel to wheel. He then drops behind Kimi to give the place back, and at an entirely seperate corner, overtakes him fairly. What is the penalty for?! Especially as they both ran off the road later in the lap, which Raikonnen got advantage from, before spinning.
The stewards are just unbelieveable, Massa NEVER deserved to win that, and we can just hope that the FIA can see sense in the appeals court, for the sake of the sport.
Don’t care what the FIA says
Lewis will have always win that race my heart!
I am not surprised to see a penalty against Hamilton. The rule is simple and very clear, and the objective is that racing should be within the track boundaries. Hamilton has already proved many times this season that he still needs to practice more on this specific matter.
25 seconds is equal to a drive through, which is the standard penalty. Nothing special about the whole thing.
The rule does not allow a driver to gain advantage by leaving the track boundaries, and Hamilton came back on the track in front of Räikkönen = gained advantage. What happened thereafter is not significant.
lewis is way more confident (and faster) than kimi under braking in the wet. Hence he was able to re-pass kimi at the hairpin immediately after conceding to him after the chicane incident.
To the retarded untrained FIA eye this talent could be mistaken for a gain in momentum. But the truth is lewis is just better than kimi in treacherous conditions supported by the fact he was able to catch kimi up when it started to rain.
Had lewis not cut the chicane im sure a more serious incident would have happened (crash perhaps?) in which case the FIA would have moaned and cried even more. THERES NO PLEASING THE FIA BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO BRAINS.
I dont like the fact that such a potentially brilliant sport is ruled by men in suits from an office in france. It should be ruled by the men in the garages.
Formula one is corrupt. If your car is smoothered in red paint you can be forgiven for incidents in the pits (massa valencia), ramming others off the road (raikonen monaco, attempted at spa) not to mention any of the stunts that schumacher got away with.
ive watched every race since france 92 and there has been previous decisions which seem contrieved to produce a close championship but this is one too many and im not watching this farce any longer
http://uk.youtube.com/wat ch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM
proof. same situation. NO FERRARI PENALTY. schu didnt even try to give the place back.
Ken H your dumb.
He left the track to avoid crashing and/or because he lacked gripped. He may have gained an advantage but surrendered straight away after. Therefore what happened at the chicane is of no consequence.
brilliant race by hamilton and he gave raikonnen the advantage after he ‘cut’ the chicane ( was actually pushed by raikonnen) so it was all fair if you ask me. and he did not deserve to come 3rd and give massa the win. funny how they add time to lewis’s result but they didnt with ferraris felipe massa after velenicias pit lnae incident
I’m disgusted at the FIA’s decision, I was happy two weeks ago when they decided not to punish Massa after the race as that is not in the spirit of racing. But today they have handed the win to Massa despite him being 14 seconds down the road. What ever advandage gained by Hamilton in the chicane it was not worth anywhere near 14 seconds let alone 25 and two places! If they say that Hamilton kept the momentum from cutting the chicane I don’t get it and he eased off to let Kimi passed before accelerating again. Completely unfair. Yes i’m a Hamilton supporter but I hold clean fair racing above that. hamilton deserves the points end of
I feel the same, Lewis will have always win that race my heart! BOO the FIA! Lewis let Kimi go and then he overtook him fair and square! The FIA supports Ferrari, no doubt! The stewards never gave Massa a penalty in Valencia, and they never gave Raikkonen one in Monaco for hitting Adrian Sutil doing his best race ever! I just wish for once the FIA can support all the manufacturers, not just FERRARI!
Im still glad that Lewis is leading the Driver’s Championship by 2 points.What the hell is the bloody penalty for?!
We have to take revenge
to Ken H -
what happened thereafter is entirely significant. If hamilton left the track because he had no other choice and ended up gaining and advantage from it…then allowed Kimi to retake that place back, everything is fair and square regardless if hamilton left the track boundaries. Have you ever participated in any form of competitive racing? i have and things like that happen, as long as it was handled in a sporting manner which hamilton did, its all part of racing.
if it were you driving would you rather crash your car than leave the track boundries to avoid an accident? use your brain……..or does that belong to Ferrari like the FIA?
the penatly on hamilton is lousy sportsmanship by the FIA. end of story.
do you not expect this sort of behavour from the fia? what, after last years scandel, its no suprize that they took away his win. even though he drove brilliantly, kept it on track, made a brilliant overtaking pass, then proceeded to win even though he nearly got took out by a williams.
hell, i wouldnt be suprized if the fia reinstated kimi to second, because he was shoved of track……by an imaginery car. i could happen!
Massa got punished u halfwit. 10000 euros. Not to metion Massa didn’t get any advantage with nor hit anyone with his car. Stop crying. “Buuuhu! Lewis is marked by FIA.” He got a well deserved punishment. Just like Massa got when he passed the red lights in Canada in 2007, a drive through. Massa didn’t complaint, he just raced to get the best possible position. It was fair, he passed the red lights, even if there wasn’t any car to hit on (LOL), but he passed the red lights.
Also to Ken H
If that is so, not “Allowed” to leave the track boundaries, where is Kimi’s 10 place grid drop at Monza for going off track at turns 10 and 11??….
It was a racing incident, leave it at that i say, i hope Mclaren win the appeal, i also hope Charly Whiting is on the board, he seems to have decent judgement.
“The truth is, hamilton let kimi pass but but in a way that was obvious he was going to overtake on the next corner as he was in his draft, if FIA had been given time they would have given him a drive through penalty which would be the same.”
If nothing would have happened at the bustop, hamilton would have been in Kimi’s slipstream as well. And since he wouldn’t have to slow down to let someone past he would be going faster too.
FIA making a fool of themself if you ask mee….
In 1994 michael schumacher had a huge lead in the title, when he received a 2 race ban – what had he done that was so horrendous – had he killed another driver, had he mowed down a bunch of journalists in the pit
err no, his plank was slightly worn due to spinning on a chicane
end result – a very close championship, take nothing away from Damon but the FIA has been pulling these stunts for years
Marcos, and since when does 10,000 euros change the championship standings?? Hamilton effctively was cheated out of 6points.
I agree the fact that the way lewis let kimi back past was tight, but nowhere does it state that you should let them back past and then drop back so that they can feel comfortable, have a nice cuppa and then get back on with it.
champions skim these sporting rules to the limit, lewis has done no different
i bet massa really missed that £10,000 – it is a lot of money
except for a formula one driver losing £10,000 is the same as a regular guy bying a mars bar
massa was awarded the win cos hamiltons a cheatin S.O.B
he cant win it, hes too arrogant
Kimi didn’t get a penalty for going off track at turn 10 and 11 because Hamilton also went off, in accordance with this theory then, shouldn’t Hamilton have also been penalised for going off track later in the lap to dodge Rosberg? And thus, gaining an advantage? No, because going on like this all day isn’t going to gain Hamilton a win which he only inherited due to freak weather conditions.
and on the subject of massa’s penalty for passing the red light in the pits – yes its harsh
i bet barrichello wished he just got the same penalty in australia
My point was in response to Ken H’s response, not agreeing with him
thats a real good rgument ped…he cant win…hes too arragant. Michael Schumacher was arrogant and the biggest cheat alive. he is also the most succesful f1 driver ever.!
And lets not forget that when Lewis spun, Kimi cut the chicane to pass him…
I am seriously p****d off right now. Once again the ferrari international associates showed what’s what…
Ok ORANGE I see your point, but Massa didn’t get any advantage in Valencia. Yes it looks very convenient for the Ferrari, but Lewis got hasty in passing, he was faster than Kimi, so what’s the hurry? He passes him, gives him back his position and passes him again, all of that before one corner?!?!? Lewis should be more patient to avoid exactly this kind of problem. Just like Senna did in 1990 Suzuka, he said to Prost “get out of my way or I’ll put you off the track”, and so he did, fair and square. He did that because of 1989 Suzuka GP, Senna puts his car on the inside on the famous chicane corner and prost hammers him through the outside, and it’s Senna “hazardous driving” according to the FIA french president Jean Marie. Just so you know, no driver likes to get points off the track, because it envolves rules, abstract matters and this kind of especulation. On the track is just who’s the fastest. It didn’t seem wrong to me Lewis manouver, but he could have waited at least one corner in second place couldn’t he, just to avoid this kind of discussion later.
how is mosley still in charge of FIA anyway? sum1 as corrupt as him shouldn’t be near the position he is in right now.
I like watching F1 alot and watch every race but i hate it when the result turns into a complete farce and the FIA have it in for mclaren. If lewis got penalized, surely everybody who cut the chicane in that race should have had the same punishment.
ped, hamilton is not a cheater. hes arrogant because hes good and wants to show everyone he is.
and if he cant win it…how do explain silvestone this year. fantastic race by hamilton. his arrogance didnt cause him to crash or anything and be penalized by the FIA for trivial nonesense because they take it i the rear form Ferrari.
Massa and Raikkonen span in silverstone..Massa like 5 times. guess hamilton cheated there too and caused there spins huh?
ped, youre an idiot and full of epic fail. please restrain yourself from thinking ever again and spare the rest of us.
Marcos did u not read the other blog re Senna getting a drive through for exactly the same thing as Massa at Valencia? I cannot believe how much the FIA are willing to help those cheating Italians, if they cant win it out right they will throw their teddies out of the pram, so the FIA have to step in to keep them happy
One rule for Ferrari, one rule for Mclaren
I am seriously considering giving up F1, which I have followed since I was 4, where’s my DTM hat gone…………..
The FIA have given up trying to be subtle. And this just in…
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And uh, Kimi got a well deserved wall. ROFL. He got hot headed and heavy footed, so that means a big kiss on the wall.
the remaining races are in treacherous conditions and they will prove who is the better driver.I wish lewis beats the red arse in their home town and in the following races as well.
on the subject of cutting corners ive seen so many drivers cut the ostcurve chicane at hockenheim and not get penalised, actually in 1993 i think one of the rosbifs spun through it and still held position when in all eveness a spin would have cost him loads of places – the problem as i highlighted with massa and barrichello is the lack of consistancy in the applying of penalties – and the one body that is exploiting the inconsistencys to make artificially close championships is the FIA
ferrari are the worst team ever if they cannot win both titles this year after these previous and probably future penalties to mclaren
TO MARCOS: http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM
no penalty for ferrari. now tell me that the FIA arent biased
hahaha KINGCOW that was epic
LOL @ Kingcow
OK, Marcos, i take your point, maybe it was hasty, but i dont believe it says anywhere in the rules that you have to wait for more than a courner before overtaking. You just have to give the place back, which he clearly did, there is no way he could have ” got more momentum” as some people say, as he had to slow down to let Kimi pass!! And what do you think the chances are that if Hamilton hit Raikkonen (which he would have without taking to the escape road) he would have got a penalty for that? The main point is, i dont believe that Ferrari would have got that penalty if it was role reversal, and if they did, i would still despute it.
if lewis hadnt cut the chicane, he would have hit raikkonen and got a penalty anyway so it was a lose lose situation.
Medi
I salut you – conclusive proof that having individual contries steward meetings lead to inconsistant application of the rules
oh and i may have mentioned this by now but the FIA wi;ll do absolutely everything they can to artificially close the title race up
the incident reminded me of schumi’s incident. but he wasnt penalized because he drove a ferrari.
Before I start, I don’t hate Hamilton, if he wins the title I’d be happy for him but I’m not one of these people that bum him and think he is god, I find the arse licking on itv etc horrid and I find him quite arrogant. I much prefer Kimi and was delighted that he was leading today. But I will admit that the penalty on Lewis was wrong, yes he cut the corner but he gave it back, so it should off been left alone.
Felt sorry for Kimi today because he did so well passing Lewis great move (yes ok he spun) and leading the race and was set to win but it started to rain. And to the people laughihg at Kimi today saying he’s rubbish in the rain and that was proven by Hamilton catching him up, well Kimi was slowing down in the rain and it was obvious why, he was going to be cautions he needed the win big time, and then putting it in the wall, well he was just attacking all or nothing, maybe in hindsight he should of settled for 2nd but he wanted the win.
Oh and also I saw Hamilton spin in the rain a couple of times so he isnt all that perfect in the rain. Fair play to him though great race and roll on monza hopefully Kimi will lift the crown come brazil but that has really faded now.
marcos your he gave the possetion back and why should massa get the win, hes done nowt all race, did lewis hold up massa or obstruct him or anything NO and king kows picture sums up the FIA
“Hamilton leaves Spa having had his victory revoked but still wearing his winner’s hat”
and good for him. hopefully for oncec mclaren wont stand for this farcicle which we’re led to believe is called a sport.
its just not gd cricket!
to MIKE; thank you for being sane. im kinda similar but like both KR and LH, but the FIA just now furiates me
apart from the controversy, the race was brilliant. Coulthard didnt actually crash which was a miracle, massa won, which was a miracle, raikkonen didnt win after the crazy climax and i didnt spend the race sleeping and yawning like valencia.
Just think, we get to see another face next sunday at monza so expect to see more of max mosley and his ‘very fair’ stewards with their heads up domenicali’s ferrari’s a**es
farce i meant
i think a great end of season bash would be to put all 20 drivers in the liana
many words has been wrote to defend poor “I do not care about red lights” Lewis, but why there is no one crying over Glock who lost his precious one point ?
not at the same time obviously
to omc. because ten points to a champoinship contender is worth alot mor than timo glock
I know WOLF. I am pissed at that, cuz Bruno could have been closer to the GP2 title. I don’t understand, first they say it was going to affect Massa’s championship and so punish him with only 10000 euros, and for Senna they give a drive through…and look he’s also fighting for the championship, so lets give him a harsh penalty! It was the same, he almost hit the other racer, but he didn’t. Just so everybody knows, I support MASSA, NOT FERRARI, I honestly hate Ferrari right now, their cars make the right noise, but are not so passionate as they used to be, and their actual road cars cost more than a house and comes with flappy paddel nasty gearbox and they look like insects! 430=mosquito headlights, 612=grasshopper headlights, 599=dragon-fly…HIDEOUS! They look like a natural disaster.
It was a Ferrari’s appeal to FIA that resulted in this penalty, wich makes me think “uh-oh. here we go again”, if Massa wins the championship there will be a red stain on it, hope he wins with more than 6 points of difference. I was feeling ok about the result, hey 8 points isn’t very much, but now yeah, 2 points separate them, I just hope Mclaren and Ferrari keep it on the track, cuz I hate this kind of discussion.
“many words has been wrote to defend poor “I do not care about red lights” Lewis, but why there is no one crying over Glock who lost his precious one point ?”
coz glock isnt fighting for the championship, or that he probably didnt clearly let the other car through first and then re overtake them???
if Massa wins this year’s title, he does not deserved, they helped him in Eurp GP, and now they helped him again. and for those stupid crowds who cheer for Ferrari, I am telling you, YOU ARE STUPID, Cheering for the team how wins no matter what. I seriously sick of watching the title being handed to Ferrari. Shame on FIA. And for Hamilton you are the winner no matter what the F***ing FIA says.
James W…great idea, or even have a Liana GP at the TG track. hahaha
20 lianas..would that even work? maybe a 20 liana drag race down the runway. ferrari drivers with punctured tired to make up for the FIA/Ferrari cheating.
Kimi would of hit that wall anyway so i dont know why Lewis got a penalty cos he hardly cut that corner.
I’ve seen the incident and to be honest think Hamilton should have waited until after La Source to pass Raikkonen which could have been done easily after Eau Rouge. Also it looked a bit dodgy how he let Raikkonen pass him in that he made sure he’d be right on his arse at La Source (eg via Kimi’s slipstream). The penalty is fair I think because the stop and go he should have recieved (as he did at Magny-Cours) would have cost him around the same amount of time.
As for the FIA being bias. Thats stupid. Admittedly a title race where its close as it is this year is entertaining, yet look at last year where Hamilton was miles clear and blew it. Imagine it happened agian this year, would we all be reading the conspiracy theories of how the FIA managed to cheat Hamilton, thought up by his ever so annoying fanboys ? Just possibly ¬¬
Let me take you back to the era dominated by Schumacher in 2001-2004 (Where he got three titles on the bounce). FIA favouring Ferrari ? No way. Not with suggestions of making Schumachers car heavier in order to give others a chance in the championships. In all are the FIA bias ? The answer is no. Though it is possible that they’re trying to make the championship closer so that no one driver dominates and wins by a country mile like Schumacher so often did.
don’t forget that at the season bash hamilton must have a 25 second penalty! and if it is a race he must start last.
to omc, glock overtook under yellow flags and he shud therefore get his penalty. you have to admit though that when you get a point and have it taken away from you or a win, you would to go up to the stewards and shoot every one of them.
to SIMON, hamilton would have got a slipstream if he’d have been allowed round the corner by KR, or would have been ahead anyway, and he outbroke him, NOT outdragged him
F(errari)IA this is b*llsh*t dat lewis gets 25 secs!
As sad as it is for Glock, he DID break the rules by overtaking under Yellows, but Hamilton did not break any rules.
i was thinking having it at TG test track without any of the teams present areDub, and the FIA and Bernie could be wardered off by jeremy with his ak47
to JAMES W, or, they could tape bernie to the road to form part of the white line at hammerhead. or as an obstacle.
To MEDI: Well, I don’t like either of them, Schumacher or Ferrari, so yeah, you are right. Schumacher always felt wrong to me, in 1994 with the fuel pumps, Prost said on local interview that Senna told him he thought Schumacher was cheating and his pump could fuel faster than others, wich was proved in the brazilian GP I think. Really man, that’s why I think things should be resolved on the track.
Ferrari are not dumb they exploit their advantage by threatening to leave the sport and without them f1 would not be the same financially.The fia know that and vote with their wallets. why couldnt hamilton wait he was going to pass anyway?f1 is a business! and they should introduce an independent championship like in touring cars.The race was the best of the year by a mile.hamilton should have known the rules before he took raikkonen a man unable to control his car .you british overhype every sportstar you have .you expect the england team to win every major tournament you qualify for and the same is being done to hamilton.for hamiltons sake dont put too much pressure on him .hopefully the bbc wont pressurise him as much as the knowledge free james allen
My point was that if he’d braked hard so he could have rounded the corner properly he wouldn’t have had been so close to Raikkonen and less likely to pass him at La Source. Yes he let Raikkonen passed but watch it again and you can see he’s going the same speed as Raikkonen by the time Raikkonen’s in front of him. All I’m saying is this whole thing could have been avoided if he waited just until they’d been around La Source. No chance of penalising him then.
To middle east. If Massa wins this championship it is deserved, just because of his driving in 2008 Canada GP. He was brilliant.
perhaps it has also something to do with the spying scandal the year before. if raikkonen or massa had passed hamilton like that, they would not have penalized them.
they should sit down the stewards and interview them. i would love to see the reactions and answers from the stewards.
Lewis Hamilton’s victory at the Belgian Grand Prix has been thrown into doubt, with news not only that stewards are probing an incident, but also that Ferrari has lodged an official protest.
Shortly after the championship leader took the chequered flag at the end of a frenetic finish to the 44-lap race at Spa Francorchamps, it emerged that FIA officials would investigate his earlier battle with Kimi Raikkonen.
While the stewards are probing the Bus Stop chicane and La Source incident, it is believed Ferrari have also taken exception to a separate element of Hamilton’s racing tactics.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/ en/headlines/news/detail/ 080907164601.shtml
as you see it was not only Ferrari protest.
and one more question. do you remember Hamilton-Kubica contact in Japan last year ? who was given the penalty ?
to concerned f1 fan. dont say im knowledge free.
LOL
Bernie is always seen as the main man in F1 but some of the stuff he comes out with in interview really lacks intelligence
To Orange. It doesn’t say anywhere he should stay back for one corner, my point so that lewis could let him stay in front for one corner, now FIA has no argument with that cuz he gave him back his lead for one corner and then if he passes him, FIA can’t say scrap, cuz it was on a different part of the track. Hamilton could have braked and not passed through the chicane could he not? I think that would be best, Kimi would be in 1st place and Lewis would have passed him on the next corner or straight, most probably. =)
Yes I am a finn and I do dislike Hamilton, but not because he’s annoying or anything like that. I dislike him because all Hamilton-fans think that he is perfect, a god-of-driving (or something)… And the only reason he doesn’t win all of the races is because McLaren hasn’t provided good enough car for him, FIA is against him, somebody blocked him purposely to aid Ferrari win.
But even I have to say, that in this case I’m not quite sure is this verdict just. Eventhough he let Räikkonen past, Hamilton was in the way and forced Raikkonen to slow down to the corner more then he usually did. Like i said I’m quite sure about this. Guess I should watch those relpays again.
WTF?!?!!!
WHAT!
Kimi pushed Lewis wide, he either went straight on or straight INTO RAIKKONEN!! He took appropriate action by letting the ferrari through and then overtaking him properly. THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
I’m no Hamilton bum chum, but this is outrageous and blatant buyism towards Ferrari. And like others have said, Kimi would have crashed either way, so who cares?!
I hate the FIA (Ferrari’s Intimate Alliance) for ruining a great race and possibly crapping up Hamilton’s chances for the Championship. B*******
imagine this ferari fia when jean todt is at the helm? it will be terrible
Finn
Thats not a very decicive arguement?
To OMC. Oh great, that makes me feel better about the result.
you never wait for the next corner to pass someone or you’ll be waiting all race. hamilton saw a chance and took it. the move was infraction free. he played safe by letting kimi back by. unfortunately kimi drives a ferrari and if lewis gets in front of him, its a penalty and next time he will know that and mclaren will have to restrain him from passing. the lesson learnt today is never pass a ferrari or the FIA will ruin their race.
if you’d said that raikkonen is the only real man and the rest are a bunch of PR bred wet lettices now you would have had a point
“(…) It is believed the stewards penalised the 23-year-old because he used the momentum of exiting the chicane escape-road to slipstream the Ferrari and overtake him at La Source. (…)”
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/ en/headlines/news/detail/ 080907205917.shtml
maybe just wait for official FIA statement explaining why the decision was made ?
That penalty is ridiculous. No way Hamilton gained 25 seconds by being forced off. I usually get sick of the Ferrari conspiracy theories but this time I believe it. What a load of garbage.
And another thing, as soon as someone dares to take a risk or make the race exciting it’s instant penalty. Doesn’t the FIA understand that we want to see someone take a risk on Sundays?
the track was wet as well so there was no grip anyway so hamilton didn’t have the grip to stay on the track but he was hardly helped by raikkonen pushing him wide but that’s racing and it was fair
@James W: No it’s not, but thats only reason for this punishment that I can think of. And I’m not saying he is the only real man out there. He is a small little boy who can’t speak properly, likes to drink a lot and couldn’t drive under heavy pressure.
I agree with Finn. I dislike Lewis cuz some fans I saw always says that FIA is against him cuz he’s black, he doesn’t have the best car (yeah right…), some1 blocked him to let ferrari go through. Ridiculous. Stop whinning. He got punished, so what?! Is it because he’s black? Is it because he drives a Mclaren? Or maybe he got too hasty and gave motives for an investigation, if he was more patient he could have got the win and Kimi would be on the wall still. So yeah, might not have been fair, but he needs to learn patience, and leave no shadow of doubts that he was faster than Kimi.
In the last 2 seasons the FIA has become a complete joke and this decision just takes the biscuit. Are you not allowed to attempt overtaking and get it slightly wrong? Why have such big run off areas? Why have a bloody race when you can change the result to suit you?
I have a feeling this is heading to an inevitable conclusion – Massa winning in Brazil to clinchthe title.
I really don’t want to write this but I’m now starting to believe there is racism in F1, or more to the point the FIA. I feel sick.
knowledge free james allen will singlehandedly destroy lewis hamilton it is a shame give him a chance you moron
Sorry Finn – what you said just didnt seem to be meandering towards any real point
I have to admit i dont really like Kimi but i respect the fact he doesnt let the PR men push him around as much as the others
“(…) Hamilton did let the Finn pass him after the chicane, but he then used the slipstream of the Ferrari to immediately launch a successful overtaking move at the next corner, which is seemingly deemed illegal.
Ferrari, meanwhile, clarified that while team officials did attend the stewards’ investigation, no official protest was lodged.”
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/ en/headlines/news/detail/ 080907203525.shtml
here we go – there was no protest from Ferrari
I really hope that if Kimi doesn’t win the title next year, then he doesn’t leave F1. We need characters like him in the sport, not just a bunch of yes sir PR boys.
stop it. im not knowledge free or a moron
Can you ppl stop the whine?! all I read is “Lewis was punished because FIA supports Ferrai” I bet if it was a Williams-Mclaren Rosberg-Lewis incident ppl would say “FIA Supports Williams cuz he’s an pentioner!” RUBBIIIIIIIIIIIIISH!
i know that the penalty was wrong
lol at marcos
pulp – help the aged plays in the background
if it was against williams, he’d still have been punished cos massa was second. that was massa’s easiest ever win. he’ll be celebrating in paris with nazi mosley tonight
arguments?
button should have won
will this fixing eventually drive people away from the sport?
“I really hope that if Kimi doesn’t win the title next year, then he doesn’t leave F1. We need characters like him in the sport, not just a bunch of yes sir PR boys.”
I meant if he doesn’t win the title this year lol
How can Lewis be demoted to 3rd? Would he have lost 25 seconds by taking the chicane properly? No. Kimi went off anyway so Lewis would have won by not overtaking. The whole thing is just ludicrous.
FIA – f*”@ing Incompetent A*+#holes
Ridiculous especulation. Mosley being nazi or not, he still has the right of privacy, if some1 took a picture of him in his privacy and published it on a newspaper and said he was a nazi, that just especulation and privacy invasion. Imagine if it was you dressed like nazi on a private theater play? Could I take your picture and put it on the news and say you are a nazi SOB?! I was saying if it was a ferrari free picture and if williams was fighting for the championship with his drivers.
“(…) It’s the second race in a row that I’ve failed to score points. Clearly the championship situation is what it is, but I’m not the sort to give up that easily.”
is he really lacking motivation ?
mclaren have stated that lewis crossed the finish line 6 km/h slower than raikkonen.
To James. YES BUTTON SHOULD HAVE WON. I’m with you on that one. Would have prevented this stupid rant about FIA and Ferrari.
lol seriously if you step back and take a look at whats happening ferari fan or not, it is ruining the sport
im a loyal mclaren fan and i can see tht.
Its a shame such an exciting race has been shat over by this FIA mess
That’s Prepostreous James! ROFL!
Cant wait to kick a ferrari tomorrow or maybe key one.
Just heard on the news about Lewis being demoted for the cut across the final corner.
Does anyone know how much Ferrari are paying those half wit stewards to always vote in their favour???
mclaren have appealed but i would doubt that it will be successful.
To Marbles. Lap dancers?
does any1 know when the appeal is?
if the race had been just one lap longer alonso or heidfeld would have won and we’d all be argueing about something else.
To James Allen. I doubt it too, else I would start crying and say that Mclaren is being favored by FIA. xD lol
yaddle is spot on.
We’ve watched the most exciting last 4 laps for many a year.
And it didn’t mean SH1T!
The appeal will be decided during the folowing week xD
they have to have a right to appeal first and then a date will be set for an appeal at the FIA’s court of appeal.
if lewis manages to win the appeal his biggest problem wont be massa anymore – it’ll be tifosi extremists
James W, if the race had been one lap longer both Hamilton & Massa would have pitted for wets on lap 43.
thanks marcos, and yh just thought
thos were arguably the best 4 laps of the season and in the end thy dint mean nothing. with raikonnen crashing and hamiltons penilty.
really shocking
thie situation with lewis is absoloutly pathectic he clearly won the race without cheating he let kimi passed and then went back on the attack what else was he to do ram kimi in the side!!! bull ferrari once again have fixed the race also have a look back at valencia massa never got a penalty for nearly hitting a car in pits and kimi RAN SOMEONE OVER IN THE PITS and he got no penalty wtf stewards need to sort thereselves out as this is ruining the sport completely i hope mcalren appeal at this s**t
raikkonens performance was fantastic though. that was why i was saying he would win all week.
coulthard should have been second.
The FIA have a serious problem with Mclaren and if its not sorted out we will be in the same situation from a few years ago when Ferrari dominated because Mclaren will have left the sport
Yes. I agree with Yaddle too. Felt good for Massa’s point, but it was very very nice to watch the last 5 laps, I was feeling ok with the result when I heard the news….racing is on the track, why make the podium and then take the trophy from the winner…that’s ridiculous, if they wanted to analyse anything they should do it while the race is on. The FIA went to ask the Domenicali position on the matter, so he said, and refused to comment the decision.
What Hamilton did today was pretty much the same as in Magny-Cours, he overcooks the overtake and subsequently cuts a chicane. Yay-sayers say “he was first into the corner”, without considering he was then carrying too much speed to have a realistic chance to take the corner. Should the rules be adapted, just to allow passing “Hamilton-style” ?
Don’t forget Monza 2007, when Hamilton did exactly the same but escaped penalty.
monza with it’s chicanes could mean that another penalty will be heading lewis’ way if he has to cut one.
Ken H has a point.
Big al – massa yes – are you really sure about hamilton though – he’s had so many epic wet weather drives this year and last i couldnt say he would have made that call – it would have been the sensible thing for sure – but then it was the sensible thing at the british gp in 1992 and yet senna poodled round for ages on slicks – and lets face it on such matters lewis tries to live up to the senna image whenever he can
Fia will be doing pubic hair cuts,they like the smart c**ts at ferrari
James W. If the race had been 1 lap longer everyone would have pitted for wets.
Another thing. When Lewis and Kimi both ran wide at Pouhon and onto the run off area Lewis got back on track as soon as posssible. Kimi ran the whole length of the run off getting visibly better grip. Was that not gaining an advantage?
The run from the final chicane to La Source is hardly long enought to slipstream and Kimi hit the back of Lewis’ car too. A crock of crap.
toyota are gonna come up soon anyway cos they have big funds and glock is talented. It would therefore not be ferrari domination if mclaren leave in five years
Ken H – lewis would have made the turn this time – subtle difference
people are sayin hamilton carried speed be cuase he cut, if you watch the highlights raikonen goes off the longest corner on the track a carried speed and got adantage just dint overtake lewis
YES James W! Imagine a crowd of Red skins, Yellow war flags with red paintball AK47s running after lil lewis b4 the race. ROFL hilarious
Hamilton supposedly gained an advantage from ‘cutting’ the last series of corners.
However sortly after this Kimi got the place back from running wide, rejoining the track, and then using the momentom to drive right into Lewis’s slipstream. A back marker rejoined the track one corner after this, this forced Lewis to drive left, onto the grass – possibly damaging his car, and Kimi drove right past.
Lewis was held up by a back marker, and Kimi took advantage of this and overtook him. This combined with not using the track would suggest to me that Kimi should have, if he finished, had a penilty.
How can the FIA justify punnishing Lewis for avoiding an accident, and not punish Kimi for using a back marker to take the lead? Do these two incidents cancel each other out?
Its a real shame that all this happened, if the race had started 10 or 20 minutes earlier then none of this would have happened because of dry weather.
The following video shows what I am talking about…
http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=VCEYjNoBYo0
Start the video from 1:35 and watch.
Thank you
Tom
James W – According to Lewis himself he would not have managed the corner in a safe way. At least that’s what he said in the press conference.
poor bourdais, 3rd to 7th in the last lap. that would be heartbreaking
hey james
im sorry but did anyone watch the gp2 race on saturday
the incident with bruno senna was exactly the same as massa’s in valencia and what did bruno get a drive thru penalty and what did massa have a little fine its obvious the FIA are bias to wards ferrari they always have been
also how did hamilton have a advantage he was 4 mph slower than kimi but he out braked him
its crazy how they could do it what way to spoil one of the best races of the season
because raikkonen squeezed him – rewatch the footage, hamilton was heading straight for the inside of the second half of the chicane in a normal fashion until he changed line to avoid hitting raikkonen
Funny, now every1 says that Kimi pushed Lewis out, but the race b4 hungaro-ring no1 said anything about Lewis throwing Massa out of the Track. =\ just curious.
hi martin. we just need steve rider now
Martin Brundle (?)
I bet with my friends that when you referenced “pikey” at montreal you were in fact refering to the turn pike trust that were responsible for road maintainence in the 16th century rather than gypsies
martin, what were the technical differences today between the ferrari and mclaren cos i, being james allen, havnt got a clue
the ferrari’s had red paint and the maclarens had silver
its obvious mclaren will lose the appeal coz mosley is a knob and the FIA love ferrari and it would be obvious if they went back on their original decision
I think that it is absolutely ubbelieveable that the marshalls have given Hamilton a penatly, he was well within his rights, Kimi cut into Hamilton’s line, hamilton was doing the decent thing by preventing a further accident, Kimi had no hope of winning and the penatly has not had any impact on Kimi’s position so there really isn’t much point to the penalty. And due to Kimi’s appauling results recently, he has now been removed from the team focus therefore there is absoultely no way that the penalty will affect Kimi, as his racing career with Ferrari, if not F1 is over after this season.
Mclaren is intending to appeal, but I doubt that it will come through. It has had no impact on the drivers championship as hamilton is still in the lead, so as long as he can drive like that next week in Monza, he has the championship in the bag.
Its just a shame that the Ferrari International Agency will not see sense and see that Hamilton is a better driver
Good point Graham Potter and Tom. Raikonnen made an unforced mistake on the sweeper and gained speed from it, no one says a word.
it’s the second time this year that Hamilton is penalizing Kimi. Without these two accidents Kimi would lead the Championship.
Frank – As i recalled it the only contact was from kimi trying to mount lewis’ car at la source
i cant believe the FIA … they are literally giving the points to ferrari…before lewis hamilton came ferrari’s only worry was alonso…but now ferrai can only win with the help from the FIA. 2 weeks ago….massa deserved a time penalty of some sort….instead he gets a little fine which is like a penny to him…ferrari get off lightly….but now hamilton has it all to do because he has his main rival 2 points behind with 5 races to go….and god knows what penalty hamilton will get in 2 weeks…could even be for being to far ahead of a ferrari.
i personally think that the FIA should sort thier priorities out and leave hamilton alone and get ferraris nose out of thier a*** and let hamilton get on with his job, because at this rate, they are the most likely reason that hamilton could fail this season.
well im one of the many thousands of people who want the FIA board of directors sacked…shame we cant do anything about it.
i can only wih hamilton good luck for rest of the season and i hope he wins it and keeps his cool, because the FIA certainly dont want him to win
frank – kimi would lead the championship, considering how consistent hes been in the past few races of course he would lol
lewis was clever at canada cos he aimed his car at kimi instead of kubica knowing kimi is more likely to win the championship than kubica. in belgium lewis did nothing to contribute towards kimi’s crash.
the stig would have won if he was racing, even in a force india or honda
well james in what way of a technical difference would you want to now many of the teams are rather secretive about it but you all saw on the tv that the mclaren
is the far more controllable car in the wet
Having watched the last few laps again, then if Lewis gained an advantage at the Bus stop then Kimi is just as guilty because of what he then did at Pouhon…
I must admit I dont like Hamilton he’s Arrogant and Cocky Especially after Hungary after Massa Nailed him around the outside “NOBODY will overtake me around the outside again” -.-
But this penalty is pointless.. Kimi Crashes and he’s the one Involved S hand the win to Kimi He worked for it not Massa… This FIA Crap is now ruining the Sport
F1 stewards/FIA guilty of race discrimination
I think you can safely say that that Hamilton’s maclaren mercedes is the wrong colour as once again ferrari win the race off the track, maybe maclaren should consider a “vodafone red” livery for next seasons car so the stewards get confused between the 2 teams. It is becoming so obvious that the stewards favour ferrari (see Belgian Gp one rule for one… blog) that F1 is becoming a joke, the manner in which hamilton came out to take the lead was just racing in very tricky conditions (just ask Kimi) and i have seen worse incidents go unpunished just watch a replay and you can plainly see what im talking about.
Anyone else think that maclarens generous donation for last years shenanigans is being put to good use to try and secure a ferrari win?
Shenanigans! I call shenanigans!
By all means, the only Ferrari driver I exected to crash in the wet was Massa, it’s a surprise he didn’t.
Hamilton earned his two (you all saw, TWO) passes, both he and Kimi ran wide and spun, Kimi buckeled under the pressure and crashed- what more is there to glean from an excellent and massively entertaining battle?
The FIA needs to stop coddling Ferrari, it’s a little too obvious, don’t you all think?
martin that is genius. in my words of wisdom, big up to you.
I would also like to say like what i said in the race that you cant serve a stop-go in the pits.
it was the best 4 laps of the year and the best battle of the year.
…and it’s go,go,go!
Heres a link for a petition to the FIA. Any who is as P….d off as me and many other people at their disgraceful decision should sign http://www.petitiononline .com/belgp08/petition.htm l
hi murray.
Hamilton … tea break… wiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnssssss
oh no. FIA penalise lewis so;
Massa wiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnssss sss.
murray walker you are a legend and i loved being your pit lane reporter.
Wow…just wow. What an amazing race. This race was by far, the best of the year so far. There were battles all over the field. Kimi vs. Massa vs. Hamilton. Heikki vs. Heidfeld. Bourdais vs. the rest of the field. The last few laps were just incredible. Does anyone else remember another certain incident at Spa, also involving 2 great drivers, one in the Ferrari and one in the McLaren? 8 years ago, Mika Hakkinen overtaking Michael Schumacher. Watching the ending laps of today’s race, I couldn’t help but think about that beautiful move made by Hakkinen, a move that some consider to be the best overtaking maneuver ever made in Formula 1.
And watching those final laps, I began thinking about the sport. And what I determined was that in those last few laps, the reason why we watch F1 was embraced in moments like those. The reason why teams spend millions on equipment and cars. The reason why drivers put their lives on the line. The reason why millions of people, all over the world, turn on their televisions and, for a few brief minutes, stare in amazement at the same thing. And even in the midst of today’s F1 environment, with biased officials, bogus rules, and extreme competition, we are able to find solace in moments like those.
Brilliant race! incredibly exciting.
Go Ferrari!.
…and unless I’m very much mistaken…which I am!
Would give anything to see the Seb’s race in cars with race-winning potential(but not a Mclaren or Ferrari)within the next couple of years-they would both make Hamilton & Massa look very average.Also,i’m SOOO bored with Mclaren and Ferrari.I agree that the FIA is Ferrari-biased but do you really think Ron Dennis is a saint?Believe me,he’s pulled a few fast ones in his time and what goes around comes around!The two top teams are as bad as each other:they’ve both had it their own way for far too long.As far as i’m concerned,a new No.1 team in F1 would only be good for the sport.BMW?Toyota?Red Bull?I don’t care!!Anybody!!!
How disgusting for the stewards to ruin such a fantastic race by overturning the result! It was nothing more than a racing incident, handled fairly by Maclaren – Unlike the Massa incident 2 weeks ago that was clearly dangerous and yet went unpunished. Clearly the ‘F’ in FIA stands for Ferrari!!
Brilliant race today by Hamilton… sitting it out quietly until the end than pushing harder than ever. I think Hamilton should deserve the race and the title. Some of you go on about him being a rookie and everything but think about it. If you don’t give the newcomers a chance and underestimate them than you are never goin to get good drivers out of the new generation. I mean look at Hamilton’s first year in F1 and his past. He really deserves to have the title. Eventhough, I would have loved it if Raikkonnen would have made it to the end. I was gutted when he crashed. All over a excellent race and all you people out there who think Hamilton’s just a rookie… Well, than what a rookie he is. His got bundles of talents that you would never expect from a rookie. He truly deserves the title… I so wish Michael Schumacher had not left.
i quote Mr.Hibbard himself…
“Cheats never prosper. Except they do”
funny thing for kimi fans is that with this decision kimi’s got no chance in hell of being supported for WDC now.
Hamilton got robbed of a well deserved win by the FIA! If you look at the new race results on the FIA website you’ll notice that the 25 second penalty slips Hamilton neatly 1 second behind the 2nd place driver. In the last race Massa was investigated and nothing happened even though it was clear as day that he (or the team) was in the wrong. It just seems like the FIA are desperately trying to set up a ‘championship final’ where all the drivers are going in with equal points. Even if Hamilton’s move was illegal (which it wasn’t) he didn’t gain 25 seconds from it so why the severe penalty? You can only assume the FIA wants Massa to stay closer to Hamilton in the championship. And then the FIA wonder why they’re losing fans!
how about when kimi ran around the outside of the corner and held more momentum to then overtake lewis after this incident. that was racing with out using the track, but obviously that doesnt count if your cars red.
i like massa, i like how after the race the three of them were chatting before the podium, but if this decision sticks im turning my back on f1, its pathetic
Q: Having investigated the FIA sporting codes, (article 16.3/4) if an incident is deemed to have taken place within the last 5 laps of a race, instead of the usual 10 second in-race penalty, a 25 second penalty will be added to the final drivers race time. These are the rules.
http://argent.fia.com/web /fia-public.nsf/475632E4 6002BEDAC125744F004312F4/ $FILE/F1.SPORTING.REGULAT IONS.19-05-2008.pdf
However, as a believe hamilton was robbed of victory in a ludicrous decision, the FIA need to look at an article in their sporting code just above article 16.3. In fact article 16.1. An incident is many things, including when another driver is ‘forced off the track’ Surely this is what Raikonnen did to Hamilton to initiate the whole string of events.
Come on F(errar)IA, read all the rules, not just the ones which will give Ferrari the advantage!
The corner cut penalty was a fair penalty, let’s just hope it’s more lucky this time.
P.S. 300 comments is amazing!!!
a lot of rubbish has been said from both points of view but a lot of truth spoken also. the stewards should not have interfered and even if you believe they should have the penalty is far to severe. my opinion the move was legitimate and seeing as the only car that could possibly have lost out from the maouver stacked it shortly after, it didn’t affect the race result… so why interfer and in my slightly less unbiased opinion trying to set up a neat close end to the championship. let them race and take it back to basics. thats what they are doing with the new rules next year and so why make the other rules so much more complicated.
Back on topic that was probably the best race this year. It’s a shame bureaucracy has declared massa the winner, he drove a good race but hamilton was definitely the deserved winner, showing phenominal car control in bad weather on the wrong tires… conditions which proved too much even for “the ice man” kimi.
it’s becoming more and more obvious that they don’t like mclaren, but lewis and the gang should be happy knowing they’re the best and hope that their appeal doesn’t land them in more trouble (i can quite easily see a ridiculous points reduction if the appeal fails on the grounds of “insolence” or some other crap)
What a joke, the FIA Ferrari bias knows no bounds.
Also remember earlier in the race Kovi tapped Webber, a fairly minor incident no damage caused to either cars and both carried on. The FIA had no hesitation in dishing out punishment immediately, something they weren’t willing to do with Massa in Valencia.
And of course the FIA didn’t think Kimi’s driving in Monaco deserved ANY punishemnt at all. Unbelieveable!
FIA are biased towards Ferrari…
Hmm… Some food for thought:
http://ie.youtube.com/wat ch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM
That’s just awful. 25seconds. Then again, for the neutrals like me, it’ll only make it a more exciting race to the championship. As to weather FIA is biased towards Ferrari, who knows. It’s probably just everyone making a fuss about things everytime Ferrari gain from a penalty and ignoring the times when they get penalized.
MASSA >>>>>>> hamilton
Before I even get into the issue of whether the penalty was justified, here are an interesting issues that should have been looked at many years ago…
back in the (good) old days. A 10sec stop go given on the last 5 laps of the race would translate into 25sec added on the time at the finish. But somehow they reckon that a drive through without having to stop for 10seconds is also worth 25 seconds~?
everyone seems to forgot about that point even through drive through has been introduced for many years already…
This was a very difficult decision, because Hamilton did let Raikkonen get by, but if you look very closely, Hamilton never allowed Kimi to get back to the racing line, he put Kimi in a position where he (Hamilton) would always have better traction and cornering line. I´m not an expert, but that´s not really the way to give back a position.
Kimi made a nice move to defend his position through the chicane, nothing wrong there, pretty much the same thing Webber did to Kovalainen.
And Massa is a pretty good driver in the wet, it´s just that people get carried away by his poor performance at Silverstone, they just forget that it was a second car (he crashed friday), set up in a hurry that was barely balanced enough to work properly on a dry track.
It was the best race ever, but it is a outradage that lewis got peneny. Yes he cut the bus stop but, still he let him back in the lead and did ever thing right but still then the FIA (ferrari internacinal acciation Give him a penely of 25 seconds. i mean that wouldnt of happen to Michael schmacher or any ferrari no the fia are agenst Mclaren and if you ask me mclaren are right to appael
All heal lewis hamilton soon to be the world champ. Good luck for the appeal and you won monzo fair and square you cross the ine first and that means you are the winner
ALL HAIL MCLAREN
good luck for Monza
No matter how big a supporter I am for Kimi, this decision just is wrong…
Af said – Schumacher should have received a penalty for that one, of course.
Question is if someone mistakenly escaped a penalty in the past, all should escape it in the future? Does two wrongs make one right?
http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0
Thank you very much!
fia = COCK of the century!
I’m sure Hamilton will take it OK. After all he’s English. We’re used to losing on penalties!
Bring it on Monza! Hamilton fired up! Raikkonen fired up! Massa, well he will want to win! The decision’s been made- let’s thank it for setting up an even closer title race. One that will inevitably be awesome. And don’t discount kimi just yet: last year, 5 races left to go- kimi 16 points behind, now he’s 18 points behind…. Fantastic race though and i think the person who is probably just as unfortunate is Bourdais. he drove perfectly and could have got a pole…
I think the FIA made the right decision. Raikkonnen defended that turn properly, but instead of slowing down, Hamilton just cut the corner, let Kimi pass to avoid being penalised, then used the speed that he already had to overtake him. I think what the FIA should from now on, though, is to replace corners like that with grass so that it would actually be goin out of the track
no it rubbish its a bunch of cars going round in circles-hannah
i love you
http://www.petitiononline .com/belgp08/petition.htm l
Sign if you disagree with the FIA’s decision.
2 wrongs don’t make a right it makes FIA favour ferrari
I do not know who was, or was not at fault during the race as I am not qualifyed in FIA law . I am however a qualifyed ref in another sport . What is utterly deporable is the incosistancy of the FIA , they seem to give differing punishments for the same offences . Some people are saying they favor Ferrari but whatever is the cause of the different punishments it has to be urgently addressed . The very fact we can all have our own interpritations of the rules is to the detiment of the sport if we can efectively argue about the rules then they need to be simplifyed . Standerdising the officals would also help as this would give the process stability as the event moves from venue to venue .
It is a great responability to offitiate in any sporting event and you have a duty to eveyone involved to endever to get things right which with real time decissions is tough , however in this case they had plenty of time to View the evidence so they have no excuse for inconsistancy . As I said before I am just a fan but it is crazy we are talking about the interpritation of rules when we should be applauding the driving skills of Kimi and Lewis