Comments on: Belgian GP: cheat? http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/ The greatest writers on the world of cars from the BBC's Top Gear Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:57:33 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: The Stig http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-14267 The Stig Mon, 04 May 2009 12:51:37 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-14267 Check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4We8PCDUkY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIYKu7nXC0Y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US-fFu_ZXeI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purbGfLcw_Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-vUtA-zTY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqk2lcehD0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pFY9wMZ0Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8R1P6ygBUQ Check this out!

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]]> By: Auto-History http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-14261 Auto-History Mon, 04 May 2009 09:52:25 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-14261 I think ill watch more Indycar instead,, and less F1 and this B.S noise in Who did Who and Who did What EGO TRIPing nonsense.. I think ill watch more Indycar instead,, and less F1 and this B.S noise in Who did Who and Who did What EGO TRIPing nonsense..

]]> By: tinni http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-14247 tinni Sun, 03 May 2009 12:50:08 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-14247 And Hazy Boy, if you think using another car to overtake is unsporting, you know nowt about f1, because people do it all the time. see hakkinen 2000, spa. And Hazy Boy, if you think using another car to overtake is unsporting, you know nowt about f1, because people do it all the time. see hakkinen 2000, spa.

]]> By: tinni http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-14246 tinni Sun, 03 May 2009 12:47:59 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-14246 I reckon he got poor traction on the run-off area, had little grip, kimi went past, and that were that I reckon he got poor traction on the run-off area, had little grip, kimi went past, and that were that

]]> By: oioioioi http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-3972 oioioioi Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:28:32 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-3972 okay, he was lees speed of 6kmh, but all of us know in half a second it can be gained back. the acceleration of these cars are fast. any driver could lift off the gas a bit, but after the finish line, he could floor it and whola, you're as fast or faster than your opponent(if your opponent does floor the trottle a bit slower than you. he almost got away with it, but he did not cheat. a cheat would be senna-like or shumi like tactics. but when kimi crashed, even if a ferarri fan, i accepted that ham should win, and not be taken away, because i saw racing and the racecraft of each driver. it meant that it didn't affect the result(nick and massa were not even contending for that lead) point -ham did not cheat, but almost got away with a deceptive move punishable but a bit harsh since the two drivers ahead of him in the race result didn't even challenged him for the lead) -ham should've still won(because kimi crashed out) -and the 6kmh less is not a good basis(he might have been a little slower, but if kimi was doing 210, he's doing 204 after lifting a bit, then he could floor it and regain the disadvantage. and kimi moved offline which caused him to lose the lead) i sure have hoped massa would have gotten the win properly and not through the boardroom. im a ferrari fan that belives ham should've won but almost got away with it with a decieving move which has to be penalised not harsher than a fine or a 10s penalty, the way things are going for the inconsistent fia punishments okay, he was lees speed of 6kmh, but all of us know in half a second it can be gained back. the acceleration of these cars are fast. any driver could lift off the gas a bit, but after the finish line, he could floor it and whola, you’re as fast or faster than your opponent(if your opponent does floor the trottle a bit slower than you.

he almost got away with it, but he did not cheat. a cheat would be senna-like or shumi like tactics.

but when kimi crashed, even if a ferarri fan, i accepted that ham should win, and not be taken away, because i saw racing and the racecraft of each driver. it meant that it didn’t affect the result(nick and massa were not even contending for that lead)

point
-ham did not cheat, but almost got away with a deceptive move punishable but a bit harsh since the two drivers ahead of him in the race result didn’t even challenged him for the lead)
-ham should’ve still won(because kimi crashed out)
-and the 6kmh less is not a good basis(he might have been a little slower, but if kimi was doing 210, he’s doing 204 after lifting a bit, then he could floor it and regain the disadvantage. and kimi moved offline which caused him to lose the lead)
i sure have hoped massa would have gotten the win properly and not through the boardroom.

im a ferrari fan that belives ham should’ve won but almost got away with it with a decieving move which has to be penalised not harsher than a fine or a 10s penalty, the way things are going for the inconsistent fia punishments

]]> By: Competition Is Dead http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-3036 Competition Is Dead Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:09:59 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-3036 Hmmmm...Frankie,does a F1 car not have a steering wheel?How do you possibly draw the conclusion that Lewis only ended up on the inside of La Source because he cut the corner?Doesn't overtaking in F1 usually involve just that,overtaking on the inside?So surely every time someone completes an overtaking manoeuvre,they've cut the previous corner? Hmmmm…Frankie,does a F1 car not have a steering wheel?How do you possibly draw the conclusion that Lewis only ended up on the inside of La Source because he cut the corner?Doesn’t overtaking in F1 usually involve just that,overtaking on the inside?So surely every time someone completes an overtaking manoeuvre,they’ve cut the previous corner?

]]> By: TonyO http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-2916 TonyO Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:14:29 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-2916 To call Hamilton a cheat is totally idiotic. Does no-one realise that these actions take place in split seconds of time and moves such as this are rarely planned in advance! It seems that the Hamilton knockers conveniently forget all the incredible driving that he did to catch Raikkonen in the wet. You only have to compare him against Raikkonen at yesterday's Italian GP. Hamilton moved up to as high as second whereas Raikkonen stayed more or less where he started! Get a life and back a British car and driver. To call Hamilton a cheat is totally idiotic. Does no-one realise that these actions take place in split seconds of time and moves such as this are rarely planned in advance! It seems that the Hamilton knockers conveniently forget all the incredible driving that he did to catch Raikkonen in the wet. You only have to compare him against Raikkonen at yesterday’s Italian GP. Hamilton moved up to as high as second whereas Raikkonen stayed more or less where he started! Get a life and back a British car and driver.

]]> By: What about Kimi? http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-2884 What about Kimi? Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:46:29 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-2884 Two last comment for now is the fact that it didnt say in the FIA rule book that they have to wait to the next corner or be behind someone a certain amount of time before you can overtake again. The wait until the next corner rule didnt exist until Monza which proves a bit unfair as Hamilton didnt know this in the race before. I find that rule a bit stupid because what if the corner then goes on to a very long straight like the one after la rouge at Spa. This will be out of order because then the person infront is gaining an advantage bacause he has no risk or the person behind overtaking again. And it will be a pain if the person infront is alot slower which you could then have the risk or someone then overtaking you which again gives the driver infront an advantage again. Finally back to the Massa incident in Velencia. Massa gets a fine which is the best penalty a driver could have for a start whereas Hamilton had the worst knowing that he has won and 2 hours later he is dropped to 3rd. How annoyed and upset would you feel in that position. A desision should have been made before Hamilton lifted that trophy. Also at Valencia it is impossible to overtake so a drive through, stop and go or a time penalty for Massa would at least have gave someone a chance to even overtake and at Spa where its easy to overtake, as Hamilton and alot of other drivers proved, Lewis then gets a time penalty 2 hours after the race. Surly a fine would have been better for that race as anything could happen overtaking wise. Two last comment for now is the fact that it didnt say in the FIA rule book that they have to wait to the next corner or be behind someone a certain amount of time before you can overtake again. The wait until the next corner rule didnt exist until Monza which proves a bit unfair as Hamilton didnt know this in the race before. I find that rule a bit stupid because what if the corner then goes on to a very long straight like the one after la rouge at Spa. This will be out of order because then the person infront is gaining an advantage bacause he has no risk or the person behind overtaking again. And it will be a pain if the person infront is alot slower which you could then have the risk or someone then overtaking you which again gives the driver infront an advantage again.
Finally back to the Massa incident in Velencia. Massa gets a fine which is the best penalty a driver could have for a start whereas Hamilton had the worst knowing that he has won and 2 hours later he is dropped to 3rd. How annoyed and upset would you feel in that position. A desision should have been made before Hamilton lifted that trophy. Also at Valencia it is impossible to overtake so a drive through, stop and go or a time penalty for Massa would at least have gave someone a chance to even overtake and at Spa where its easy to overtake, as Hamilton and alot of other drivers proved, Lewis then gets a time penalty 2 hours after the race. Surly a fine would have been better for that race as anything could happen overtaking wise.

]]> By: What about Kimi? http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-2882 What about Kimi? Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:26:38 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-2882 Also another thing. Say for instance that it was Lewis infront and Kimi behind at the chicane. Kimi cuts corner gives the position back and over takes into next corner. I bet if that was the case the stewards wouldnt have even thought about given a penalty and if they did it would be a fine which any driver of there level could pay with ease. Like the case with Massa in Valencia when he had an unsafe exit from the pit which it clearly was. As you could see there could have been a serious accident blocking the pits and they only gave him a 10 grand fine. In my opinion and many other people will proberly agree is that these stewards are biased whether its to do with Ferari favortism, The fact that Hamiton is English or coloured or any other reasons it dosnt matter its still very biased. Also another thing. Say for instance that it was Lewis infront and Kimi behind at the chicane. Kimi cuts corner gives the position back and over takes into next corner. I bet if that was the case the stewards wouldnt have even thought about given a penalty and if they did it would be a fine which any driver of there level could pay with ease.
Like the case with Massa in Valencia when he had an unsafe exit from the pit which it clearly was. As you could see there could have been a serious accident blocking the pits and they only gave him a 10 grand fine.
In my opinion and many other people will proberly agree is that these stewards are biased whether its to do with Ferari favortism, The fact that Hamiton is English or coloured or any other reasons it dosnt matter its still very biased.

]]> By: What about Kimi http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2008/09/09/belgian-gp-cheat/#comment-2881 What about Kimi Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:08:52 +0000 http://bbctopgear.wordpress.com/?p=512#comment-2881 Well if Hamilton was unfair Kimi then went wide on the next corner, if not the next the one after and built up his speed on the runoff area so that he could gain extra speed and then get up behind Hamilton again. Is that not gaining an advantage?? Also say if Hamiltion didnt try to overtake until after the corner he would have then overtook Kimi as Kimi would have got stuck behind Rosberg and not Lewis. Finally it wouldnt have really mattered if Kimi was infront or behind because as you know full well he then crashed Well if Hamilton was unfair Kimi then went wide on the next corner, if not the next the one after and built up his speed on the runoff area so that he could gain extra speed and then get up behind Hamilton again. Is that not gaining an advantage?? Also say if Hamiltion didnt try to overtake until after the corner he would have then overtook Kimi as Kimi would have got stuck behind Rosberg and not Lewis. Finally it wouldnt have really mattered if Kimi was infront or behind because as you know full well he then crashed

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