Whoever you’re a fan of, watch this onboard footage from the weekend. It’s awesome…
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hahahahahaha
it is good to see the drivers having to control the slide
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god that’s good racing
never going to be convinced by amateur physicists talking of momentum and hamilton cheating, but that’s some dam fine driving from both of em. particularly impressed by kimi sliding in between lewis and rosberg. two of best F1 drivers around at the moment battling it out in the wet
p.s. who else would like to see mark webber and sebastien vettel in more competitive cars next year?
great video!
what a pity that FIA erased this beuautiful race final
watch how kimi looses it when he pressed the (supposedly) radio button. lost concentration? or coincidence?
hmm great shot, but from this view, it was clear hamilton had nowhere to go
…and as for KR’s crash, it looked like the car ahead distracted him more.
Fantastic action Jamie but in the end it meant nothing, what a tragedy. It also clearly illustrates how Lewis got straight back on at Pouhon and how Kimi didn’t, ultimately gaining an advantage. I still don’t understand how that can be ignored.
Stunning video.
But in the end it means nowt because the Ferrari International Authority has meddled with the results again.
Does clearly show how many times Raikkonen got back in front and messed up his own race though. Making the chicane incident virtually unimportant to the race. And that Hamilton really didn’t gain an advantage. Nor was he at any time after cutting the chicane in Raikkonens slipstream.
Said it before and I’ll say it again this goddamn the best piece of goddamn racing in a long, long LONG time.
We Belgians own the best goddamn racetrack ever
And with these two titans bashing each other in that way…
And once and for all: YES Hamilton gained advantage, and NO not worth a 25 second penalty YES FIA is not consistent.
great footage. very revealing in the incident and shows the skill of both drivers have to control the car at every corner.
Let me say first off that I’m a huge Ferrari fan. Always have been, always will be. But the Stewards got this one wrong, plain and simple. Let these guys earn their money – let them race. Neither did anything wrong. If they were side by side entering the corner and Lewis ended up behind Kimi after avoiding an accident, that’s no advantage. The only advantage to Lewis was having a superior car in the given conditions.
I’ve read a lot of the comments and I can understand the FIA doing what they did but I don’t condone it. They do seem to have a Faz bias. If you see this footage, which is pretty much from the drivers exact perspective – there’s just nothing in the Hamilton incident. In real time from this angle it’s all ok. Hamilton just out-drove the man I don’t like Hamilton much but this result is a bit of a shocker.
That’s a great clip, but for me it only backs up why lewis shouldn’t have been punished.
He let Kimi through, he might of gained a tiny advantage but what about kimi following lewis off that corner, Lewis showed that it was easy enough to get back on the track rather than round the outside where kimi could of had an advantage. Someone said on race day ‘the racing should take place on the track’ in relation to lewis but for me he should have been speaking about both.
Saying that no-one deserved a penalty, the FIA are pretty screwed up these days…
mark blundell said it.
DONT STOP THE COCK
The cock is me, by the way and people dont want me commentating anymore
Just listen when Hamilton rejoins the track, at what point do you hear him even ease off the throttle? He just plants it down the straight.
Best view of the race, shows why they get payed the big bucks.
That is some good racing from both drivers. Not so sure about the favouritsm off track (FIA). They got i completely wrong this has got to be the worst decision in F1 history bar none. Hamilton was found guilty for cutting the chicane and gaining momentum which is ridiculous becasue he if he had more momentum Kimi wouldn’t have got passed! Also one of the steward’s was the Tanzanian guy who decided that Sebastian Loeb looked scruffy with a beard. Now I’m sorry but doesn’t anyone else think that that was a little bit sad and a bit of a wild claim to make? He clearly knows nothing about the sport and should therefore be thrown out of the FIA comitty aswel as the other stewards who condemed Hamilton to a 25 second penalty. Something else that was interesting aswel, Ferrari did not even make a proest against Hamilton’s driving and said his driving was fair It is pretty obvious to me and probably many other people in the world that the FIA are right up Ferrari’s gearbox in terms of favourtism and have been since the dawn of Micheal Schumacher! Surely Bernie and perhaps alot more people high up have shares in Ferrari. So i conclude the FIA are Ferrari’s PAL’s.
Awesome footage. I want to drive one some day…
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How do you watch premiere onboard. I have being serching the net for ages for answers and alot of videos always have premiere live in the top left of the screen. It would be great if anyone can help.
I’m not a Ferrari fan. I’m a hardcore Kimi fan, until the day he retires racing Dakar in a Skoda, I don’t care.
I don’t like Hamilton, not a bit. I hated him when he lost the championship. I hated him when he crashed Kimi in the pit lane.
BUT, this sucks, this was a work of art in racing. The best last 2 laps in the decade, and some idiots, who want ot have their piece of the history ruin this for all of us.
Again, Hamilton, I don’t like you, but I’m with you this time.
re: willo
I think the Premiere stuff is for the Germans only~?
so if you want to watch it, move to Germany~ =P
I ain’t 100% sure through…
that was absoblutely brilliant~! and the Ferrari looked like a real handful in the wet. Too bad those stewards decide to ruin things for everyone. Interestingly McLaren asked race control immediately whether it was ok and race control said it was…
Martin Whitmarsh added: “From the pit wall, we then asked Race Control to confirm that they were comfortable that Lewis had allowed Kimi to repass, and they confirmed twice that they believed that the position had been given back in a manner that was ‘okay’.
“If Race Control had instead expressed any concern regarding Lewis’s actions at that time, we would have instructed Lewis to allow Kimi to repass for a second time.”[1]
This shows that another mistake is being made by McLaren.
Why are they appealing to the FIA. Why not appeal to the criminal court and file a case against the Mosley brothers. Again, they would still end up being the ones at loss.
The footage shows clearly that Kimi was the culprit who took great advantage by taking the longer runoff area and TOUCHED THE RPM LIMIT TO ‘CHANGE UP A GEAR’.
Sorry mates but Hamilton should be restored as the race winner and kimi should atleast be dropped 10 places for that offence and then getting away with it.
The three stewards responsible for this criminal offence should atleast be fined financially to make sure such a thing doesnt happen again and the FIA should make a public appology for not seeing furst hand as to what was going on under their nose.
Reference:
[1] McLaren lodge Belgian Grand Prix appeal
(http://www.formula1.com/ news/headlines/2008/9/834 4.html)
And one more thing.
Sme thing from the heart.
I still remember Kimi outclassing every one else on the grid with his MP4-20 in Suzuka.
The Last lap and the overtake of the big right hander.
But at that time he was racing Fisichella.
But this time it was the Big man himself outclassed, and out done by a rookie.
One have to say.
………………..What a move………………..
And one more thing.
A suggession to Bernie and his F1 squad.
There should be two races every circuit.
One dry one wet.
Trust me. People would only come to see the wet one not the dry one.
and with the same slick grooved tires.
That will not only improve tire manufacturers technology to create grip when its wet but that would help the teams balance the car evenly well and the best drivers would win not the best cars.
ha brilliant! can clearly see dat kimi was the underdog
Still, this race is one of the classics!
Though, bunch of people are trying to ruin it by whinning about after all quiet obvious penalty.
Only one think comes to my mind, stewards could set a rule for intermediate tires before there will be bad accident to either kill or seriosly harm some1. Kimi was luck with hes hit, but think about Kubica on Montreal, similar bad hit could be caused by wet track. Those guys are racing, and they want to win, Pitting in for other set of tyres isnt option.
Next season with slicks. I’m just waiting for wet race, rain inteh middle, so drivers would have to drive long distance to pits.
Iceman showed why he’s the champion, not Hamilton.
Im sorry, but that just proves without a shadow of doubt that Lewis did nothing wrong at all. Kimi just fluffed his lines and he paid for it. Total injustice and the descision needs to be reversed. The biggest mistake formula 1 has ever made.
I could happily watch the whole race from onboard cameras. Its funny in all this trouble we havnt heard what Kimi has to say on the matter.
As an all out racer im sure he’s making less fuss than anyone because he knows Lewis was just faster in the wet.
Roland. You’re dead right. Kimi hasn’t said anything because he’s too embarrassed about binning it in the wet.
I must admit i am pro Lewis on this matter but still… Why has FIA got this policy on ‘Ferrari are Gods’? i think its time ferrari tried throwing its weight around on the track and not at the FIA. Pehaps if they started putting money into the cars and not the stewards pockets, then they could pehaps finish a race?! Even if Lewis was somehow in the wrong you can still see by this Vid there is a reason he is top of the table…”The British are coming, The British are coming”!!!!
Well, Lewis was already at full throttle and had changed two gears when eventually Raikkonen came past him. Raikkonen hardly got the whole car ahead of Lewis, just a while before Kimi was overtaken again by the faster McLaren. I think not the clearest move by Lewis.
medi wrote about the car in front of Kimi when he lost it. It looks to me that this is what happened to Kimi.
Nico was in front of him driving very slow and Kimi just missed him and went of the track because of that and as he was pressing as fast as he could he hit the part of the tack that was very wet and went of. As you see from the rpm lights in he’s car he was not even going for it as the back went of and hi spun.
What comes to the Hamilton thing. Of course he benefited going strait from the curve earlier – only the penalty was not right. If he would have come from the corner as it is to be driven right he would not have been as close to Kimi as he was taking it strait.
Graham Potte and Roland.
It does not matter what is the issue… Kimi does not comment on anything. He gave a comment to the finnish press that he will fight to the end.
Kimi got pwned, period
see! hamilton never lifted. he kept his momentum going completely negating the let by
HA! awesome video, and perfect proof that Hamilton never lifted.
Hamilton let Kimi retake the lead – that means that Kimi must have been going faster than Hamilton at some point = advantage conceded! Kimi didn’t defend the corner – maybe he expected Hamilton to drive his Ferrari too! Hamilton even crossed over behind Kimi which proves he handed back the lead = advantage conceded again! result: Penalised.
Kimi deliberately ran wide for longer than Hamilton when they both went off road = gaining a grip\acceleration advantage! result: No penalty.
Kimi binned it because when he lost grip he pressed the rev limiter button in an illegal attempt to gain traction, that locked his back wheels causing the slide! result: No Penalty.
this is the most blatant injustice since a certain M. Schumacher won a world championship by deliberately steering his Ferrari into Damon Hill’s Williams in the last race of the season.
this vid clearly shows that lewis never really gave back the position, he really gain an advantage. not that a 25 sec penalty is fair either. anyway, great driving fom both of them.
I’m glad the BTCC isn’t run to the same rules as Formula 1: imagine if likes of Matt Neal and Jason Plato were penalised for every infringement as small as this. There wouldn’t be time for 3 races in one day because the stewards would be analysing the first race until 5pm at night and every driver would have 2 minute plus penalties, and ultimately no one would care because people were bored of the outcome being changed by some faceless beaurocrats.
PS: have you heard, Croatia were awarded a 4-3 victory over England last night at Football because England were seen to get an unfair advantage when they took a throw in from the wrong place
lewis should not of got penalised you saw hmailton lookin and wating for kimi to get infront of him ive heard riduclous stories that the reason he was slower ten kimi out o the chacine was cz he was on the dirtyside of the track :S! sorry i thought it rained! , plus kimi got a advantage at puhon NO PENULTY! why? FIA
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Please consider that there is a bias with the FIA against McLaren. In a previous race when Kimi was running with part of his exhaust flopping in the wind, he was not forced to come into the pits to have the part removed. This was a dangerous scenario that could have proved tragic if the part had come off at 190mph and hit a competitor’s car or helmet. I have to believe that if it had been any other team other than the red cars, the part would have had to be removed in the pits or the driver would have been black flagged. Also, last year Bernie made it clear in a pre-race interview that Massa is his favorite driver. After Bernie had been making noises that he may pull out of the FIA, it seems as if the FIA will do all it can do to keep Bernie happy and assist Massa in winning the championship. Granted, Lewis could have just stayed behind Kimi, took second place and gained an additional two points on Massa after all was said and done. Except, Lewis is a competitor and is out there to win. There is truly not enough overtaking and excitement in this sport and it is a breath of fresh air to see a driver willing to risk it all in order to win. Also, I have the race on my DVR and I viewed the offending scenario many times and it appears to me that Kimi went out of his way to force Lewis off the track. For those “fans” that recommend that Lewis just go ahead an follow the leader around the track, we may as well score the race after knockout qualifying and forego the “processional” that F1 has seemed to have become the last few years on too many circuits. By the way, F1 needs to compete in the US, it is the largest sales market for the majority of the teams and all should be done from Bernie’s standpoint to get back in this market. He needs to be careful with the reunification of Champ Car and the IRL that F1 will miss the boat since there is now a viable competitive open wheel series back in US.
If they want anyone to continue supporting any team in F1, or just the ’sport’, then results should be results and not open to dubious stewards fiddling to suit their ’sponsors’.
when Raikonnen started braking too early, it was a 10th of a second as Hamilton drove past him and there was simply nowhere to go.. he had to cut the corner and than he got behind Raikonnen on the straight so he didn’t have any advantage..
I also found interesting that Raikonnen was essentially using the outside of the track with full throtle without any problems returned a lot later to the track.
Then he squeezes Hamilton onto the grass as there is another car coming out of the boxes, comes back in first place. How is that an advantage of Hamilton?
So, as we can see, Lewis did break just a bit to late knowing that there were no wall or gravel to stop him while cutting the corner…
He did let Kimi pass on the right so kimi could defend his position (only once as written in the rules) that meant kimi going on the left side leaving the door open for Lewis to dive in La Source…
o sum up we can say that Lewis took an advantage by cutting the corner… and so there’s no point to argue…
“Hamilton let Kimi retake the lead – that means that Kimi must have been going faster than Hamilton at some point = advantage conceded!”
I didn’t watch the times before and after but, for exemple : If kimi had even 0.5 second in front of hamilton. If hamilton let Kimi re-take the lead but by only 0.1 second, what do you call the 0.4 seconds missing ?… I call that an advantage…
Wow! fantastic footage, just a real pity that the result was fudged by bad judgement!
Opinions of the drivers http://www.formula1.com/n ews/headlines/2008/9/8358 .html
They all agree Hamilton would not have been as close to Kimi had he not cut the corner. Therefore gaining an advantage. The penalty may be harsh but its equal to the stop and go/drive through penalty he should have got in my opinion. Stewards maybe the stewards should have given the penalty in the race. However, it may have resulted in a similar incident as to what happened with Schumacher years ago when he took his stop and go on the last lap, winning the race as he crossed the line whilst in the pitlane.
At the end of the day its the second time Hamilton has cut a chicane this season (Magny Cours). The time penalty is the equivalent of the penalty he received in Magny Cours. He cheated and got punished, end of.
I can’t be arsed going into all the debate again, but great video and stunning car control in those conditions. Great driving.
lewis should not of got penalised you saw hmailton lookin and wating for kimi to get infront of him ive heard riduclous stories that the reason he was slower hten kimi out of the chacine was cz he was on the dirtyside of the track :S! sorry i thought it rained! , plus kimi got a advantage at puhon NO PENULTY! why? FIA
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I have just worked out what FIA stands for:-
Ferrari’s Internal Assistant
After attending the race from the paddock I must say that everybody was so excited to see the race ending the way it finished. Finally some real good racing! Only on the way home we learned the FIA was screwing the race result. After last year this confirms again the sick making feeling that the FIA and Ferrari are to close. It is a shame to see another sport being messed by politics. After Balestre Mosley was a relief but I think he is in the seat too long now….