Lewis in the dock

The penalty imposed on Lewis Hamilton after the Belgian Grand Prix will be dropped today… if McLaren’s lawyers can successfully prove that Hamilton gained no advantage by cutting a corner at the Spa race. You may have read about the incident.

McLaren will try to overturn the penalty, which amounted to Lewis losing the race victory and a maximum 10-point score, by attempting to prove that Hamilton cut the chicane to avoid a crash with Kimi Raikkonen and by calling on the dialogue the team had with FIA race director Charlie Whiting after the incident. Whiting is thought to have told McLaren that there was ‘no problem’ with the way Lewis handed back the lead to Kimi.

Of course, the FIA might have another opinion…

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We made a mistake.

But we won’t admit it.

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Refering to post 29. Im not sure how you can call people “non British” if they do not support Hamilton, its not as if he is exactly British, I seem to remember the second he got enough money he emigrated to Switzerland. Also if you wanted some overtaking racing maybe you should of been watching the 24 hour Britcar at Silverstone last weekend. And how you can call anything off Youtube proof.

I think the points should remain removed I just hope next time the decision is made before the end of the race, as someone pointed out he should of braked to stay inside the confines of the track and subsequently lost a fair amount of momentum/time. Which would equal the time penalty, I also see the fact Kimi retired later on in the race irrelevant to the fact Hamilton created his own little track. Maybe he should of turned up to the hearing in a translucent top like someone else who created their own version of a track, then maybe he wouldn’t of been penalised.

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Lets be honest… if it was a Ferrari that had cut the corner in belgium or gained an advantage as Kimi did leter in that lap nothing would have been done to penalise them. As it is Massa gained an unfair advantage because he only drove well enough to finish at least third or possibly second, he certainly didn’t not drive well enough for the win and so gained an unfair advantage through the actions of the stewards.

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The decision will be anounced tomorrow and even though i want Hamilton to gain the points back i am going to concentrate on the f1 race at Singapore which ,due to it being at night, should pose a few problems for the drivers…so more action in store then! I’m not sure if they have lights posted everywhere around the track so if someone could enlighten me on how that will operate that would be good. Hopefully Hamilton will be able to pull a win out. And yes, mike said… and IhateHamilton said… are stupid!

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i feel a bit sorry for Coulthard because this is his last season before retiring so i want him to at least pull out 1 WIN!! LEWIS RULES!!!!!!

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Sourgrapism is a widespread condition in the part of Great Britain called England.

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Whatever the outcome, someone is going to be unhappy. If the penalty is rescinded, it sets a dangerous precedent and could encourage championships being fought as hard within the FIA courts as on the track. On the other hand, if it stands, based as it was on rules that were arguably in need of clarification it could leave a cloud over the eventual result of the season. Say Massa takes the title over Hamilton with a margin that would be reversed had the result in Belgium stood, some people will never accept that his title is legitimate. Personally, I haven’t studied the rulebook so I can’t say whether I feel the penalty was justified or not. Either way, with so few races remaining, I don’t think we’ll hear the end of this until next season.

I just hope it doesn’t curtail more energetic, aggressive driving styles. After a stultifyingly dull race in Valencia, the excitement of the last couple of laps at Spa was exactly what F1 needed. It would be a shame if drivers felt they needed to be more “careful” in order to avoid their results being called into question.

I look forward to the fallout when the decision is announced…

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Nick said…
#53-“Maybe he should of turned up to the hearing in a translucent top like someone else who created their own version of a track..”

i don’t know what you’re talking about, but if it means “titties in plastic wrap” i have a great deal of respect for british courts.

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I honestly do not remember Shumie appealing on penalties given to him. Shumie accepted the punishments and did not at any point in time open his mouth in saying that he was the best even after having won 7 titles and most of thenm witha handfuil of races left in a season. Lewis on theother hand wants to win races at all costs i.e. appealing a championship out come (Rosberg and some other car gained some advantage in the Brazil race and should have been penalised creioed Ron and Lewis) in court, appealing a penalty etc. You’ve gotta be kiddin me.

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Yes, Hamilton did have to cut accross the chicane to avoid an incident, but he did gain an advantage by closing the gap between himself and Kimi. If Hamilton really thought about it, he should have bided his time and overtake Kimi at a later corner, and then woudl’ve not gotten any penalty

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I honestly do not remember Shumie appealing on penalties given to him. Shumie accepted the punishments and did not at any point in time open his mouth in saying that he was the best even after having won 7 titles and most of then within 3/4 of the season. Lewis on the other hand wants to win races at all costs i.e. appealing a championship out come in court(Rosberg and some other car gained some advantage in the Brazil race and should have been penalised cried Ron and Lewis). He not only is he alienating himself to other drivers and officials. He is as a matter of fact behaving like a Brit playing with a Boomerang he knows not how to handle.He’s current actions may impel other drivers in either blocking him and giving him a much harder time than they would on Massa.

In my books Kubica with a slower car has been the best driver so far this season.

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Let’s forget the drivers involved – it’s the rules that matter:

Offence: Breach of Article 30.3 (a) of the 2008 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations and Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code
Penalty: Drive-through penalty (Article 16.3(a)), since this is being applied at the end of the Race, 25 seconds will be added to the drivers’ elapsed race time.

Article 30.3 (a) of the Sporting Regulations: During practice and the race, drivers may use only the track and must at all times observe the provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits.

Appendix L chapter 4 Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code: The race track alone shall be used by the drivers during the race.

Note that the regulations and the Code say absolutely nothing about gaining an advantage. If the stewards are to apply the letter of the law, every driver who ever ran wide or cut a chicane whether or not he gave any gained positions or momentum back would be penalised. That would have probably meant almost every driver in the Belgian Grand Prix getting penalised.

So how many rules in F1 are open to “interpretation”?

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Just about all of them i’d say…

I personally think that Lewis had done nothing wrong, but i do feel that the decision will not be overturned. The one area i feel that people seem to have forgotten is this, After Lewis yielded his track position, that it is this particular moment in time that is the grey area, how much time do you need to yield before it is deemed to be enough, after the event it appears that there is an unwritten rule and that you can only overtake after the next bend, however, an unwritten rule is actually no rule whatsoever.

So with last weeks race in wet conditions, we now realise that Kimi has no race speed at all. Why should Lewis be penalised when Kimi clearly has no balls when it comes to driving in the wet, surely Hamilton should not have to reduce his pace due to a slower car?

I guess you Hamilton haters will disagree….

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Well I would agree that Hamilton didnt really do anything wrong, he had to avoid a crash with Kimi at that chicane, but by passing Kimi at the very next corner, it made it look like he did.

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people keep mentioning hamilton should have attacked kimi after afew more corners but it doesn’t say anywhere that he has to do that. and to those saying shumacher accepted his penalties, let me remind you one more time.
He (shumacher) did these things time after after time during his reign but he did not get penalised, so to those mentioning shumacher accepting his penalties – If he never got penalised, then what was he accepting??

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In answer to Lionel Ritchies question: “Is it me your looking for” Unfortunately Lionel no, I was after the Golden Dragon takeaway for my usual crispy chilli beef.

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the latest word is the appeal is likely to be dismissed. we heard early on that a drive through penalty cannot be appealed, which makes me wonder why the hearing convened in the first place.

to make things uglier, charlie whiting has reversed his position, and there’s talk of the fia misrepresenting the statements of a former steward.

obviously, there are to be no winners here.

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Ferrari cash does it again….

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You must all understand that although we are a group of inept, bungling, incompetent, dim-witted, hypocritical idiots, we do not like waking up in the morning next to a horses’ head.

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F1Yankee said…

#59 “i don’t know what you’re talking about, but if it means “titties in plastic wrap” i have a great deal of respect for british courts.”

I was actually refering to a episode of Topgear, with Billie Piper who also failed to stay in the confines of the track managed to avoid a time penalty because of her top. (Series 9, Episode 6)

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For those saying Schumacher never got penelized: he was disqualified after winning in Spa, disqualified in (not so)Great Britain and banned for 2 races (1994), lost his championship points after the incident with Villeneuve (1997), put last on the grid in Monaco for blocking the track during qualifying (2005). Just to mention a few. He never appealed though. He never called himself the best driver either.

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