After another weekend where the the punishments have again distracted from the actual racing, it’s interesting to watch the start again. Was it Lewis Hamilton’s fault that Kimi Raikonnen ran wide, or was it actually Heikki Kovalainen’s? Have a look (but be quick before it’s removed!):
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I cant believe i missed that race. im in New Zealand for the next year and im gonna miss the rest of the season i cant believe it. i dont think that was lewis’ fault. the punishments seem to be thre to stop people racing……wats that about.
also how can i watch the new series of top gear out here missing the show is going to kill me!!!
Harry
It’s pretty clear from the videos Raikonen was pushed wide by Hamilton, but off by Hekki. Theres a better video about http://es.youtube.com/wat ch?v=1Xq5Q07SOxs that makes it even clearer.
More importantly, watch the first video to 4:30, Hamilton/Massa from behind, you can see Massa turn into Hamilton to spin him as they come out of the chicane.
At the very least it’s 50-50, but it looks to me as though it was Kovalainen who actually took Raikkonen off the circuit.
But let’s be clear – whoever was responsible this was just a racing incident, the kind of thing that happens at the first corner all the time. The stewards shouldn’t have bothered with it.
They didn’t seem to mind Alonso pushing Hamilton off the track at the first corner at Spa last year, or Kubica pushing Raikkonen off the track later on in yesterday’s race.
There is no consistency, no accountability and hence no justice.
definetly fault of hamiltons as he made a stupid move on kimi and kovolinen folowing
basically i am driving get out of my way attitude
what on earth was he thinking?
LH came inside a driver¿s line, outbraked himself, forced KR to follow dreaded line, and FM and the others had to follow suite. Look at Kovaleinan¿s reaction to LH move when he jumped into his line, he nearly banged his car onto the sidewall (and he says the move was ¿clean¿). LH showed his arrogance twice in the race. Once when he was overtaken by KR, and he could not believe it, and had to ruin his race. Secondly when Alonso lapped his McLaren, he was head over heels to overtake Alonso. Alonso being the sober of the two let him go because there was no point in contesting. If ruining KR¿s race has to be a race incident, then Felipe¿s ruining LH race has to be a racing incident as well.”
so there
the longer hamilton is going to be in denial the harder it is going to get…
edgars has no clue what hes talking about! ohmy word!
edgars’ probably a deluded farrari fan or something.. But well… As for FIA’s inconsistency with the ruling, maybe they should take a closer look at the events and the resons for it. Or are they still the Ferrari Idiots Association?
“this was just a racing incident”, well it seems that Louis has much more incidents than others probably because he “has balls”. Sadly he has no manners and moral and the result is his reckless driving.
Good racing was what Kimi did at the start leaving Louis behind (or how Alosnso did not let Schumi pas), what Louis did was just vain and “I’m all that matters” atitude.
If you lot start getting personal on here then I’m going to delete all your posts. So keep it clean people! You have been warned.
Its all Lewis’ fault. If he didnt pull that move than none of the other incidents would have occured. DC would have been in the race, or atleast made past the first corner. Felipe would not have been in postion a where he felt he needed to take revenge for the first corner. Bourdais’ incident wouldnt have happened as the cars would have been slotted differently.
Lewis’ comments after the race about how he still plans on wining the next two races, when asked if at any cost, he just shakes his head and reiterates ‘I plan on wining’. Its this menatlity that may cost him the Championship.
those videos were pulled quick! DAMN!!!
Untouchable: No, that’s what’s taken him to the lead in the first place.
Hamilton however clearly pushed everyone wide, even Heikki. It was an illegal pass, thus the penalty. First corner or not.
I understand now why other drivers see a problem with Lewis’ style of driving. F1 requires a more thoughtful mind, not this Formula Ford kind of overtaking. Whatever posessed him to try and reclaim p1 in the first corner? He might have waited for a bit. Same goes for Massa vs Webber and Bourdais.
Just managed to find a clip that has not been pulled by the FIA! Which must say a lot really? First corner was pretty much normal and i am sure had no penalty been given no one would be talking about it after. Everything else after is just par for the course. How can we help the cars in red!? I just want to watch good hard racing but that’s not going to happen! Get yourselves down to the betting shop on how Ferrari will be awarded points next after a race!
Edgars, your assessment of Lewis unlapping himself: “when Alonso lapped his McLaren, he was head over heels to overtake Alonso. Alonso being the sober of the two let him go because there was no point in contesting.”. Do you not realise that bu unlapping himself and therefore being on the same lap as the victor, Lewis is classified as finishing the entire distance of the race. Absolutely nothing to do with being “head over heels” at all…
…Try applying some common sense.
some people take it personal here i believe but as jamie said…
anyway
my piont is that formula 1 is racing and driving the car to its limits.
it is NOT a cart race!!!
i have been doing proffesional individual sport in past-not car racing related by the way.
after couple of incidents involving hamilton i must admit that it is not sportsman like to do what he does.i just know its not right OK! its the rush of adrenalin that runs through your body when you have some personal issues related at that particular moment and you put your self to risk and open yourself fully to whatever happens, so far he has been very lucky, but my guess is that not for that long..
look at kimi for instance-he is here to race and he has the same stuff to go through as anyone else on the grid – yet when hamilton made unnecessary move he kept it together and just avoided the possible collision and did not ruin anyones race but just kept on going. as for massa- he has brazilian blood pumping, so that explains that..
and no matter what some of you say results speak for themselves..
in that case hamilton is leading the championship…
to simmo
he finished 12th i mean save the car etc would that not be more common sense?
he could not have scored any points anyway
relax
Despite being a Hamilton fan I’d have to label his penalty as unlucky rather than unjustified. Massa has obviously been taking lessons off Schumacher about the best way to win a championship (when the title challenge gets close punt them off at a corner and hope you damage their car more than yours). It does seem unfair that this only got him the same penalty as Hamilton, and not something more severe. As for Bourdais’ penalty it was clearly ridiculous and totally unjustified. Massa drove into him!
as i said (shouted) at the time ‘F**K YES HOVALEININ, THAT IS THE ONLY GOOD THING YOU’VE DONE ALL SEASON’
they all appeared to outbrake themselves, it was a racing start, no penaltys needed (and heiki should’be got it, if anyone)
Its simple, the FIA and ferrari are in bed together BIG TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!
Another corrupt sport…….thats all we need!!!!!
it’s quite simple. the FIA love ferrari. ferrari dislike mclaren. the FIA, by default, dislike mclaren.
the FIA have basically turned this into a complicated, biased and corrupt sport instead of the simple, pleasurable sunday afternoon tipple that we all like(d) to enjoy.
sooner or later, with all the rules they’re imposing, it’s just going to be 20 (is there going to be another team next year?) of exactly the same cars driving around a track. no overtaking. nothing. it will SUCK.
Wow, that clip does prove hekki pushed kimi wide, but still i agree with what kcautotrader said above, they didnt care about alonso pushing hamilton wide last year and so on.
Something needs to be done, otherwise the sport will be in jepordy.
Its the fia’s own rules? More like fia’s own rules for hamilton and mclaren.
So with all the agreement that Lewis’ penalty was justified, what about a penalty for the numptie who trashed Coultard’s afternoon at the same corner? I didn’t see anyone get one, did you?
Cheers,
Nod.
Seems like some of people have already forgotten, that Massa also got drive through penalty for making contact with Hamilton’s car. In my opinion Hamilton is not yet ready to become champion, he is too hot headed and immature for that. He is fast on the track if everything is ok for him, but one mistake and he tries to correct that mistake so desperately, what leads him to making even more mistakes.
Driver wins chamionship title by getting most points, not winning most races. Try to remember 1982 season, Keke Rosberg became champion after winning only one race out of sixteen.
And in response to Simmo, what’s the difference? He was still in 12th place, he didn’t get any points for unlapping himself! Overall driver standings is still the same.
100% Hamilton
Nod, as far as i’m concerned, no one touched DC either. i know the F1 website says it was an accident, but i’m not sure it was. no one was anywhere near him! probably suspension failure, or something..
BREAKING: See all the footage of the incidents on the following link showing all camera angles:
http://www.formula1.com/n ews/headlines/2008/10/853 0.html
I’ll admit it straight off, i’m a Kimi Raikkonen fan, ever since Sauber, but i’ll be trying to be as unbiased as possible. The move by Lewis was just plain stupid. He has a bad start, gets bogged down, then tries to undo it all from multiple places back in one corner. He overcooked it, he cut off everyone else there, trying to be a hero. He’s not the champion formula1 needs, he’s too immature and hot headed.
Regardless of who it is, even if it was a ferrari, it was an immature move. It just shows his lack of experience and arrogance that he thinks he can just throw his car past everyone to undo everything, like its a kart race. This is formula one Lewis, keep your head. Its about precision, and mental toughness. He could be great for the sport one day, but he needs to tame his childish urges, its not playstation.
100% Lewis
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