Japanese GP: Bourdais incident

I’m still not convinced that Sebastien Bourdais should have been given a 25-second penalty for being driven into by another car. Surely as he was racing for position the onus wasn’t on him to let Massa through. Has this ever happened before? (Be quick, FOM are taking these clips down very fast this morning!):

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ho! ho! ho! you stupid, blind to the truth ferrari fans! you just can’t accept the majority’s perception that the FIA is helping ferrari win the championships no matter what and at all costs! so no present for you all this christmas from me even if ferrari wins the titles! ho! ho! ho!

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Does anyone know if there is a poll for us to to decide the incident Hamilton-Massa?

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The standards of literacy on this forum are shocking!

I’m half-heartedly thinking of giving up on F1, to quote top bloke Martin Brundle – the ‘nanny state’ it has become (I agree wholeheartedly with the post above about all risk/racing/competition being removed from the “sport”) is making it unwatchable. Besides, it annoys my girlfriend when I want to sit in front of the telly on Sunday afternoons.

It will still be *very* interesting to see how the championships end this year, primarily for the follow up analysis of ‘what-if’ points/penalties positions when we’ll see if it really was decided on or off the track.

Fingers crossed for some kind of FIA re-think of the current stewards system over winter and a cracking year’s reduced-aero *racing* in 2009!

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@ Marcos

A. “Ok mr genius. How does a car leaving the pits at 60 MPH has priority over a car that’s at about 190MPH?”

1. Because said car has inside line and nowhere to go.
2. BECAUSE CHARLIE WHITING SAID SO!! IN 2 RACES BACK TO BACK!!!

I’m not blowing his trumpet you nut, as i said im not fond of either of them. I think Hamilton is over-hyped by the media, and Massa has the S**ts because he wasn’t made A driver after Michael bailed. Massa does well at specific races (interlagos and bahrain for example) and Hamilton is starting to show a tendancy to screw the pooch at the end of the season (he did it last year, hes starting to do it again this year). As it is i don’t think it matters in this topic.

As for position, from what i’ve seen, trying to make up the difference of a pit stop in the last 15 laps of the race against racers in the position they were in is doubtful. Very Doubtful. When it comes to it, Massa was not racing bourdais, they were out of position, he was racing Webber and MAYBE Vettel.

Just let me know if i’m thinking too logically for you.

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Well said Phalanx. Someone who actually has a clue about recing…you fancy standing for FIA president next year?!

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Not only does it really seem that the FIA favour Ferrari; not just now but going back 30+ years. But Massa being the little twit that he is never admits to making a mistake, and seems to think that people should move out of his way as if he’s somehow more important than them.

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I read a report recently stating that the FIA had agreed to give Ferrari a 3 lap head start in the remaining races.

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@ Phalanx

No, you are aren’t speaking logically enough, in fact you are not making any sense at all.

I said Massa would go for his pit-stop very soon, and Bourdais overdid it because he would regain his position. Why is it doubtful he was trying to pick up the difference? Just because it’s very difficult he should give up? Did you ever race in your life? And if you have, what kind of racer are you? The kind that gives up on the first spin? I hope not!

I don’t get it, he was trying to get at least one point. It’s obvious he was going to risk everything. Anyway Bourdais got punished by the same reason Massa was punished: for entering recklesly on the inside corner, Lewis said:”I gave him room enough!” hmmm I saw the picture, Massa had nowhere to go beside the freaking kerb and touched Hamilton who spun, ok Massa had nowhere to go but he shouldn’t have touched Hamilton, got punished fair enough. The same move was repeated against Massa by Bourdais and you tell me that if it’s Massa vs Hamilton, Massa should be punished but if it’s someone else vs Massa, this someone else can’t do no wrong. Bourdais risked his race and Massa’s for nothing and got punished, end of story, surely Bourdais had nowhere else to go but he put himself into that position, like Massa did with Hamilton.
Do you get my point now?

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Dude, your a twat. Seriously, if a race director tells you something applies and you get pinged for not following his guidelines fair enough. But as for being penilised for following his instructions thats another thing. Regardless of any other incident (and i never f***ing refered to anything on any other incident) Answer me this:
1. Did Massa follow the guidelines set by F1 Race Director Charlie Whiting?
2. In the incident between Massa and Bourdais, did the race stewards take regard for said guidelines when making a descision regarding who was in the wrong?
Honestly, with the lighter load and theoretically faster car, Massa would have had no trouble taking him at turn 2 or definatly in the straigt before turn 3. Personally I think Massa got reckless, but hey thats just me.

On the point of the Ham/Mas incident I don’t really care, but were either of them exiting the pits at the time?

And for the love of God stop whinging about Massa V Hamilton, b*gger off somewhere else, surely theres a forum for it somewhere.

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You guys are gay

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