Lewis Hamilton must have felt like it was a case of history repeating as he sat in his car, facing the wrong way on the road as the entire F1 field stormed past him, as, like last year, he threw away what looked like another step towards the championship title.
The frustration was palpable as he span his wheels up to turn himself around, only to have to let off the throttle when he saw the size of the pack heading his way.
It all looked like the perfect set-up this morning for Hamilton, but again his hot headed attitude got the better of him going into turn one after he tried to undo his poor start by braking late up the inside of Raikkonen.
That ultimately failed, running Kimi wide in the process, and causing a whole host of madness right down the field which lead to Lewis finding himself right behind title rival Felipe Massa.
It was then that Ferrari man’s turn to outbrake himself, going into the chicane at turn 10 on lap two. Hamilton tried one up the inside of Massa, who didn’t want to let him go there, and so bounded over the kerbs right into the side of Hamilton, spinning him round.
Lewis found himself looking at an oncoming field, and both he and Massa were soon facing possible penalties from the stewards, that materialised on lap 17 in the form of a drive-through each.
Lewis ended the race down in a pointless 12th, while Massa managed to undo some of the damage he’d done with a well considered, mature drive for a couple of points in 7th.
So the title race again looks to be going right to the wire, and Lewis again looks to be throwing away the championship like he did last year.
I had to open my mouth and give people bad luck.
This is what I posted last Friday and, guess what it happened!!!
# RWF said…
Friday October 10, 2008 at 4:54 pm Link to comment Report comment
Go Hammy, Go Hammy. Don’t mess up, Don’t mess up. Or Massa will clean you up. Or Massa will clean you up.
I will not count out Fernando Alonso of having a chance to win this race (if Mclaren dont screw up).
So Hammy watch your back, they are gunning for your neck!!!
I have watched F1 for a very long time and I have never ever seen a penalty handed for an offence at the first corner. If they did most of the midfield would be penalised almost every race. Look at Spa 1998 before the penalty happy idiots were around.
As for Massa’s penalty that was fair because he was fully off the track. If he had kept 2 wheels on the track it would have been a racing incident with no penalty. Although why it took 17 laps to give the penalty is beyond me.
As for poor Seb Bourdais I would just give up and go home. The guy couldn’t have worse luck. Again surely a racing incident so no penalty necassary. Again there were 13 laps remaining why wait till after the race.
Again TG blogs try to pull attention awa from Hamiltons screw ups! That 1st corner was that typical Hamilton driving which Kubica and Glock has lifted on to conversation, he doesnt think about effects at all, all is just me me me!
10 points for Massa for giving Hamilton dose of hes own medicine.
Then there is what Norbet Haug said yesterday; Kimi wont crash on Lewis, he wouldnt do it ‘cuse he follows good spirit for sport. (or something towards that direction) But then Haug’s own man is about to do that! embaressing! Ham’ does suicide overtake, ruining Both ferrari drivers race on first corner, then comes Heikki and nearly repeats hes teammates actions.
FIA stewards however did good job for giving those penalties, Massa, Hamilton and Bourdais all had it coming.
Felipe Massa 4 Champion!
Somebody’s making a habit out of penalties….. if only it’d give him some points!
Long live Felipe Massa.
Admittedly Hamilton did screw up however the first corner incident it was not Lewis who forced Raikkonen off the track, it was Heikki who went off right in front of Raikonnen. The penalty was very harsh. Also for Bourdais he kept his line, was fighting for position and Massa hits hi yet he gets a penalty. This is yet another reason why FIA should stand for Ferrari International Assistance
Hamilton messed up at the first corner, but I wanted to see different angles to see if it really deserved a penalty. Massa did deserve his penalty and, from the one angle I saw of it, Bourdais did not deserve his.
DaViega should we all just watch the cars follow each other round. Lewis made a move at the first corner that he alone screwed up and ended up in 7th for. If you watch replays of the incident at no point did Lewis or Heiki touch Kimi. Kimi (to use Clarkson) made a racing driver excuse for his poor performance.
As for Bourdais no-one seems to know what he’s guilty for.
yet again comparison between Robert and Lewis comes to my mind. similar age, racing against each other in the carting and now in F1… today was like repeat of Monza – being aggressive can make fans cheering wildly but points are scored by the guy who can make proper use of his brain.
I don’t know guys, deserved or not the pemalties, I liked very much the fight between kimi and robert. That was awesome. go go Kimi (to the pub i mean
Hamilton pushing people out of track – great racer
Massa defending position using all available resources – bastard
schizophrenia ?
Massa’s penalty was fair enough, but other than the stewards were way too trigger-happy… again.
Bourdais did nothing wrong – what was he supposed to do, park his Toro Rosso on the kerb and let Massa go?
Hamilton’s penalty was a joke. Where was this zeal for punishing drivers who force each other off the road when Raikkonen did it to Hamilton at Spa? Or on the dozens of other occasions drivers have pushed each other off the road and not been punished?
The FIA stewards have brought F1 into disrepute with yet more highly questionable decisions, and an inability to simply let racing drivers get on with racing.
What’s funny is that it clearly shows Lewis’ frustration on the final lap when he wouldnt let Alonso go first on him even if he’s back a lap..
What the hell happened to F1? Is it too part of the nanny state? Senna and Hunt must be turning in their graves. Listening to Lauda’s comments are a true reflection on the sport today, it is just a shame we can’t get Prosts, Mansells or even Piquets comments!
Anyone who is a true fan of the sport will remember the Schumacher tussels with Hill, Prost & Senna, Hunt & Lauda, Mansell & Piquet. Gone are these days never to return. It’s a shame that the younger generation will never be allowed to see real racing only stewards decisions. Thank god for youtube.
Even as a die-hard Hamilton fan, I have to concede that Hamilton was driving like an absolute tw*t to begin with. I hope facing the wrong way and watching the pack pass him helps him to learn that you can’t just gun down the inside at a suicidal pace on the first lap.
That said, I’m glad Massa was penalised too. If hamilton did that to raikonnen at Spa, there’d have been hell to pay in the eyes of ferrari fans (and those who generally don’t like hamilton).
I can’t see why people in this country don’t like Hamilton to be honest. yes, his driving style is er, unique, but it’s put him in front of everyone else for championship points. As for cocky, the only cocky attitude I could see from him was just before the belgian GP when he proclaimed that he had never been overtaken on the outside. otherwise, show me other incidents of his so-called ‘cockiness’.
That said, whilst im defending him here, I do think Hamilton needs to learn a few lessons from today’s race.
Hamilton didn’t win last year and doesn’t deserve to, if he will this season, because he is daft. Yes, he is very, very fast, but how it takes to make calculations with points before or whilst driving? Other drivers seem to be able to, Lewis isn’t. That’s why he kept running in China last year until he crashed and why he messed up today, instead of getting some points.
Congrats once again to Alonso. He’s really coming to his own this season, despite an underpowered car. Excellent stuff.
Not a good day for Lewis. Another example of the disadvantages of not racing for smaller team before hitting the top flight teams. Shame Heikki retired so early, I would’ve liked to have seen what he could’ve done.
FIA showing yet more inconsistency; all 3 of those penalties were bad calls in my opinion. Just let them race for pete sake, stop trying to dictate the race through penalization. I honestly don’t understand how the FIA can say they’re trying to promote overtaking while at the same time instilling a fear of making the slightest mistake.
hamistons penalty was a joke… why didnt they give them out to others down the field for the same offence, or at any other race??
same with bourdais’ penalty… massa drove into him!!!!
crap decisions are ruining f1 and the season.
but still.. it was crap like normal(unless its wet)!
do you hamilton fans make up reality as you go? whiny victim mentality without fail.
all 3 penalties were just. as for bourdais, he was leaving the pits, which showed green and blue at the pit exit. that means:
a. green for “go” and
b. blue for “allow faster cars to overtake, without crashing into them, moron”.
what really ticked me off was ferrari should have pulled kimi into the pits for 4 tires and a smelly fish sandwich with 2 laps to go. that would have given filipe 3 points, rather than 2. i guess ferrari wanted to score the maufacturer’s points more than make up for their huge error in singapore.
I want to know on what grounds the FIA felt that penalising Bourdais was justified. He came out of the pits ahead of Massa, he had the inside line. massa squeezed him too much. Bar smashing himself into the wall, I can’t see what Bourdais could have done about it. If Massa hadn’t driven like such a tw*t Massa would never have been spun out.
But of course, more excuses for the FIA to push Massa up the championship board.
Anyone got an email contact for the FIA?
F1Yankee said:
“all 3 penalties were just. as for bourdais, he was leaving the pits, which showed green and blue at the pit exit. that means:
a. green for “go” and
b. blue for “allow faster cars to overtake, without crashing into them, moron”.”
-That would be great, except how would bourdais have known Massa was driving up his arse? The pitlane leads to the inside of the upcoming corner – massa essentially drove into Bourdais, squeezing him into a ferrari/wall sandwich. Bourdais couldn’t have done anything about that, but massa could easily have run slightly wider. He’d have overtaken bourdais easily and he wouldn’t have spun out.
What would you have bourdais do instead? Park at the exit and look both ways for traffic? I suppose you want him to remember his ‘mirror, signal, manouvre’ rule too. idiot.
http://www.formula1.com/i nside_f1/understanding_th e_sport/5282.html
Blue flag
Warns a driver that he is about to be lapped and to let the faster car overtake. Pass three blue flags without complying and the driver risks being penalised. Blue lights are also displayed at the end of the pit lane when the pit exit is open and a car on track is approaching.
Really nasty move by Massa spinning Hamilton. Seemed really cheap to me. But, a wonderful run by Alonso. The consistency is brilliant.
Has anyone seen the news?? Bourdais was handed a 25 second penalty “for making contact with Ferrari’s Felipe Massa”. Right, so a car hits him when he just left the pits and he is dropped from 6th to 10th. That gives Massa an extra point (now only 5 behind) and means that Bourdais looses his points. Has anyone else realised how ridiculous the stewards have become?? You can no longer race, you have to sit behind them all day and not do anything. The only trully fair penalty was Mass’ as he clearly cut the courner and made contact.. I can see how Hamilton was penalised (and yes i am a Hamilton fan) but am still confused as to why no one else has recieved a penalty for the same thing all season long… F1 is no longer a Sport.
long live Lewis Hamilton.
Hell with FIA and their sponsered team and Driver.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/ en/headlines/news/detail/ 081012152844.shtml
That wasn’t a biased article at all. What’s going on?
Seriously though, Massa should’ve got a stop n go for ruining someones race on purpose. His act was worse than being overzealous in the first corner, so how come the penalty is the same?
What’s the brake pedal for Felipe? Not just for braking zones, also for avoiding stuff like that.
And I didn’t see Bourdais get penalized. What on Earth was that for?
Oh yeah, congrats Alonso. That guy needs the Renault R29 a competitive car.
And bad luck for Kovalainen. That’s a shame. And I hope Coulthard is OK, but then his chin probably adds structural rigidity so I’m sure he’s fine.
Mikeado, like the idea that Coulthard will be alright because of his abnormally large chin!! About Bourdais: http://www.formula1.com/n ews/headlines/2008/10/852 0.html (I hope u agree that it is a ridiculous decision…)
First of all, I would like to mention that I am a Ferrari fan.
However, the penalty given to Hamilton on the first corner is completely ridiculous. What is happening to the F1 stewards??? If this trend continues even the spectators are going to be penalized for screaming from the bleachers.
On the other hand, Massa’s penalty was well deserved. Hamilton passed him and he should’ve surrendered the position.
Another race ruined by the FIA stewards.
Only one penalty should have been given:
A Stop and Go for Massa. At least!
If Hamliton would have done the same thing he most probaly would have been suspended for the last two races.
Why does a sport in which so much money is spend alow this to happen? Who has the power and the guts to stand up and do something about this injustice?
I fully understand the Hamilton is nervous, the boy must be knowing he is not allowed to win the Championship, how many examples do one need?
Something must be done, I cannot imagine sponsors to stay in this game when the rulebooks are so obviously used to benefit only one team.
Red bulls season is ending how it began- suspension damage and heavy breakage on impact.
I think it was the right thing to do, giving bourdais a penalty means Massa moves within 5 points of Hamilton- close finally, better driving from both men
Charlie, You do not give penalties to make the points closer for the end of the season, you give penaltie when somebody has done something to disadvantage another driver or done something dangerous.
Dont make stupid comments
Whatever about the penalties and all that. Does anyone else think that fuji is the most boring racetrack?? Bring back suzuka for good!!!
Well said Rich, and i agree, dont post stupid comments. But yes, penalties are there to penalise dangerous driving and unfair advantages. But Boudais did none of that!! And i’m afraid that i disagree with you The Spuditron, as i quite enjoyed the race despite the crappy decisions made by the stewards (yet again) (apart for Massa’s which WAS well deserved).
Oh yeah, and i dont think Fuji is as bad as Valencia!!!
Rich, thank you for taking the time to call me a moron. it means the world to me.
my understanding of the sport is perfectly sound, but if i do stop posting here, it’s because i tire of farting against the thunder of ignorant hamilton fans.
if you care to educate yourself as to what bourdais was penalized for, post #22 in this page would be a good place to start. the 2008 fia sporting and technical regs, and international sporting code, are available from here:
http://www.fia.com/sport/ Regulations/f1regs.html
obviously i failed to explain the situation. perhaps you could ask the nurse to explain it when she come to adjust your hockey helmet and bib.
F1YANKEE, as we in this wonderful country are interested in decent sports, motor racing being one of them I do not have a hockey helment or bib. Hockey is a game that girls played at school and bibs are used to collect baby dribble. I am more than educated in the rules of motor racing as I marshall at different circuits around the country and drive at ameteur events. If you are exiting the pits and on the same lap as another vehicle coming up behind you then you are entitled to race as soon as ths speed limit ends on the pit lane. END OF STORY.
Just for info, I support neither Hamilton or McLaren, I watch F1 for the sport which is being ruined through stupid decisions.
And Yes you are a moron. Get back to NASCAR
F1Yankee there is no need to be offensive about someone you dont know who is actually speaking some un-biased opinion which many (including me) see as true. You come from the USA i’d guess, so how do u know the meaning of motor sport?? All of your “motor sports” revolve around cars driving around ovals. I could do tht and im not even the legal ge to drive in the UK!! There is nothing wrong with expressing opinions as long as they are sensible and responsible, oh and try to make them un-biased as it helps to make them worthy of reading.
go back to nascar, that’s a good one. if i wanted to watch inbred degenerates drive fake cars, i’d go to france.
i’d hate to be near any event where you’re participating, since you preach complete disregard for the blue flag. and, yes, the blue and green were shown to bourdais as he exited the pits.
Kimi back on the podium. That’s ACE.
Great race, I’m happy Alonso won, Kubica 2nd & Kimi 3rd, one of the best races of the year. I watched it twice actually. =D
Lewis took too many risks, he was too cocky & over confident, like Martin & james said, he tried to win the race at the first corner, not wise, and saying “We’re gonna win this race, and “We’re gonna win the next two races” is just plain arrogant….When will he grow up & pass pubity. It was his own fault he messed up.
Massa for the championship. (Prefer Kimi though).
lol at F1yankee.
he go pwned!
Orange,
i’ll apologize for making broad insults. i’ve read what you’ve had to say in the past, and although i may not always agree with you, i’ll respect what you have to say. you mention bias…relating to a uk-based discussion forum, the outcome is inevitable. i think we can agree to disagree about this.
as for american racing, i don’t waste my time on oval “stock” cars (or, spec saloon silhouettes, as they would be known in europe). a fwd v6 automatic is somehow homolgomated to a tube-frame rwd chassis with a 40 year old v8 driving in circles but twice a year. no, thank you. nor does the domestic open-wheel irl do it for me.
there’s some good road course racing, with the alms, grand-am rolex daytona prototypes, and many smaller series. there is also a great deal of amateur and semi-pro road action to be had, if you’re fortunate to live near a track.
Haha, Hammy is cocky and over confident? Hahaha, people this is racing!!! It’s either you be man and step up to the challenge, or be a punk and get no-where. If anyone were on top of a championship, they will do everything to protect it (if they are not an idiot). Everyone has their opinion about the race, and I respect it. But, when it comes to criticizing the drivers and other people’s post, that’s not fair. We can only try to understand what each other is try to say. Because none of us here can do any better at driving F1 cars. So come on, post how you feel about the race, about who you are cheering for and so on. You can blast the FIA, that’s a faceless group. Attacking each other is pointless and hurts other poster’s feelings. But if you don’t like what I said, then deal with that problem by yourself.
Don’t want to slate Hamilton as much but for someone that is going to play the “percentage game” take it calm etc just collect the points well he did a good job off that today. There was no need to battle with Kimi, just finish infront off Massa and your allrite. He makes a bad start yes but instead off trying to show us all how brilliant he is and make amends for it he should off let it go and follow him round. Boring it sounds yes, but at least he wouldn’t off ended up in the situation he ended up today. Maybe his “ego” couldn’t take it I don’t know, but maybe signs are he’s started to crack. But you know he was bad when all 3 ITV commentators/pundits were laying into him.
F1 marshals are absolutely pathetic.. that was just a caotic first corner, nothing to give penalties about. What the hell has happened to this sport.
Felipe Massa learning from Michael Schumachers’ trick bag..like what he did to Villenueve.Spin him out of contention.
I knew he had it in him.. Lewis proved once again that his impacient pubescent spirit can NOT be silenced. I think his strategy was: “First corner, dive in, lock brakes, take everybody out, emerge victorious as the rest pile up in flames and fires”…
despite how much i would LOVE hamilton to win the driver’s championship, the way he’s driving at the moment is gonna get him nowhere.
if you saw him at the aftermath when they finally managed to talk to him, he came across as arrogant, naive, and not at all the hamilton we all watched at the beginning of the season.
he slipped up when the pressure got to him at the end of last season, and it looks like it’s happening again.
You are not biased. You are a better reporter than Maurice Hamilton
As someone who is not British (presumably like F1Yankee
), i get fed up reading about the whinings of Hamilton and his fans whenever something does not go his way – especially when he put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time to get himself into trouble.
Hamilton triggered the first corner chaos which directly led to Coulthard being punted into the wall, as a result of his brake lock-up (and brain lock-up) into the first corner. And he had no need to try to pass Massa when he did. Given that he had flat-spotted his tyres down to the canvas, he was not in the best shape to be trying to overtake the Ferrari.
Yes, Massa caused the collision and deserved his penalty, but Hamilton was too impatient in being there in the first place. Had he just followed Massa to the flag, he would have been in a better championship position. Stupid driving, does not deserve to be a champion yet.
I’m sorry, but Jamie Hibbard is the classic case of jealousy and the British attitude of not accepting that some people are actually good!
Hamilton “threw away” the race because of hsi “hot headedness”? Seriously?
My bets that Mr Hibbard is actually a secret FIA agent sent in to infiltrate and attempt to justify the ridiculous penalties!
If Mr Hibbard had it his way then the F1 would be the two Ferraris leading the pack, no overtaking, no drama, just 60-odd laps of sheer monotiny.
Jees…
I said yesterday it would go tits up.
Also interestingly, Hamilton said he would be racing to win every race now, but Blundell’s reaction perplexed me. He expected Lewis to go conservatively and race for points.
Hold on a minute, with a championship as close as this, surely you have to drive for wins, not points. I bet Schumacher would or Alonso at this tage. Why does Blundell chat bullshite?
Oh, im a brit fan and believe Jenson should’ve won with lewis and coulthard right behind.
Daniel day lewis, not denial day lewis
I completely agree with stuart. Not being British, I also think that Hamilton has only himself to blame. Unfortunatly he still talks too much and keeps shooting himself in the foot. Kubica points out he thinks Hamilton’s moves are too much, and Hamilton cries about “he does his talking on the track”…I said this before and I’ll state it again, if you wrote his mishaps into a movie, people wouldn’t buy it!
These last races serve as proof to see where the real good drivers are, none of them are in the running for the crown and they go by the names of Fernando, Robert and Sebastian, unfortunatly, none of them will win the championship this year. Massa or Lewis can win it, but I wont respect them the way I respect Alonso, or Kimi (even though he’s not helping himself these days)
stuart said< I really doubt you actually talk about the race as much as much as out of disdain for Hamilton. Formula 1 at this very moment is about the dual effort of FIA and Ferrari to win everything and at the same time avoid having a black mix become a winner. No matter what you say race has a big role in F1 race.
As far as the penalties go I feel it is really idiotic to even compare (so much more punish the same way) what Hamilton did and what Massa did. When Hamilton does this kind of things he is aggressive. When Massa does the same things is good racing. FIA and Formula 1 will become extinct before we know it if it continues with the pro Ferrari policy.
Simple solution to stop penalties against Hamilton: He starts following the rules, not making his own.
Spa: Hamilton outbrakes himself against Räikkönen and makes a mess out of it.
Fuji: Hamilton outbrakes himself against Räikkönen and makes a mess of it.
Is there really anyone else to blame for things like this?
Lucian, please do not lump me in with those who are biased against Hamilton on the issue of colour/race.
My “disdain” is more to do with his whinging about everything being unfair and the whole world plotting against him. He has been involved in numerous incidents in his two seasons in F1, and some have gone his way, some against him. i don’t think he is being targeted unfairly.
Hamilton is a very good driver, but has not shown the maturity associated with a world champion. FWIW, i don’t think Massa has yet either. But one of them is likely to win it, unless Kubica can pull off something unexpected.
The penalty on Hamilton was complete crap. Come on! No contact, just an agressive move braking for the corner. Last time I checked, being aggressive is a virtue in racing.
Kimi didn’t HAVE to go wide. He could have conceded that he got passed by someone showing some balls, and slowed up more and taken the corner. I don’t think the F2008 is running drum brakes, afterall.
Well it was jst a bad day in the office just make up a come back next weekend
your the best LEWIS
hamilton is the worst driver on the grid as far as attitude towards racing is concerned. He knows only one way either let me pass or we both go out of the race.
this is worst. he should admit the kimi passed him on start and than he should try to get the position back on merit. their is no way that he could have out braked kimi on the starting lap. its absurd judgment on hamiltons part and its not good for sport.
passing massa was still a wrong move again. their wasnt enough space to pass that why did he attempt it even. i think he should be banned for rest of the season which would make him learn some driving.
MY NAME HAS IT AGAIN THEY HAVE GIVEN HAMILTON A PENALTY HE SHOULDN’T HAVE HAD AND THE REASON HE WAS SO SLOW FOR THE REST OF THE RACE IS BECAUSE HIS BARGE BOARDS, BODY WORK, SUSPENSION(BUT NOT DANGEROUSLY), FLOOR, PLANK(ON THE BOTTOM OF THE CAR), AND THE UNDER FLOOR WAS DAMAGED.
IS ANYONE ELSE NOTICING THAT WHEN HAM WENT ON THE OFFENSIVE THERE WHERE 100S OF COMMENTS ABOUT EVERY POST NOW THEY’RE BARELY ABOVE 50 THE PROBLEM BEING THAT THEY PEAKED (AT ABOUT 700) BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE WHERE LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ALL SAYING THEY WOULDN’T WATCH F1 ANY MORE. BECAUSE OF MY NAME AND THAT’S ALSO THE TIME I ADOPTED THIS TITLE
LEWIS CAN WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN ONE MOVE IF HE WINS THE NEXT RACE AND Felipe DOESN’T SCORE ANY THING WHICH WOULD GIVE HAMILTON A 15 POINT LEAD GOING INTO THE LAST RACE AND IF LEWIS WINS AND FELIPE COMES 4TH OR LOWER HAMILTON HAS THE CHAMPIONSHIP.
am i the only who thinks that hamilton hasnt reached puberty yet? everytime i see a pic of his face, he has no stubble or anything!
im gutted i missed the race, looks like were in for a repeat of last year. full of drama and silly mistakes
The “Caps Lock”-button. Turn it off.
I just like to say:
Hamilton NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! why Lewis man why.
@JonF1: you sure aren’t the only one thinking that. By the looks of it, Hamilton hasn’t yet learned what separates boys from men..
Go Lewis, go! Grown up and get’em all.
What’s this all about?
don’t you know, caps lock is cruise control for “cool”
Formula one has officially become gay. They should now allow drivers to carry loaded weapons. That’ll make it more interesting for me…I seriously shoudn’t have seen Death Race….
Lewis loses what?….
Never had anything to begin with. I dont know what people think he is. I am british and I am ashamed of how he acts. Spoilt brat used getting everything his way. Boy got no respect, on his rookie season look how he treated his reigning 2 times world champion teammate.
Ron Dennis and McLaren have fed this boy’s ego so much that he thinks he’s GOD. Still couldnt win the championship last year. With all that biased support and the best car on the track.
And What is up with these retarded itv/F1 commentators. Why are they always licking Hamiltons ass, when hamilton pulls off move its liek they just got an orgasm. God forbid he should win a Grand Prix its like they getting multiple orgasms. And How they go about calling other overtaking manouvers by other drivers as Hamilton-esque. Stuff like this Just plain Pisses me off. Being a briton myself I would have been behind McLaren and hamilton but because of this God status the media give him, feeding his ever growing ego I cant stand the boy.
Some people are just plain hypocrits. When Michael Schumacher was pulling ’stunts’ late in his career everyone was complaining. Guess What FIA took note, you got what you asked for.
FIA are a bunch of idiots. McLaren are a bunch of idiots. Ferrari are a bunch of idiots. I am more impressed by the Midpack teams this year, Redbull, Torro-Rosso, BMW Sauber and lately Renault. I hope that some of these teams become alot more competitive next year and get up there and challenge for the top spots.
Er, untouchable_abz, did you just read the headline and then post a massive rant, rather than reading the whole blog first and understanding it?
Big pat, pat untouchable_abz
just got this news in polish press… during Paris hearing Lewis said “I am racing since I was 8 and I am the best driver in the world” and “I am as good as Senna”. sport.de was pointed as a source of this message.
could someone confirm that ?
Great race, one of the best races of the year. Alonso was untouchable, weldone to him, he deserved to win. Kubica, good solid race, done an amazing job keeping Kimi at bay, that was a great bit of driving….From the both of them. Good race from Kimi, but I’m surprised he didn’t get furher, I was expecting him to be right up there with Alonso, but a good effort from dispite what happened at the first corner.
Massa deserved that penatly, the ding-dong with Lewis, that was a fair one.
Lewis deserved that penalty I think, he didn’t need to take that chance, instead he got to his normal cocky self & tried to win the race at the first corner, messed up & caused a few other cars to mess up, ie Coulthard, Nakajima etc. He even done a little bit of damage to Kimi’s car, if you notice, after the incident, the right front whell hub, cover (What are they called again? You know what I mean) was bust, it kept spinning around…Maybe not much damage, but at the end of the day, a little bit of damage to an F1 car can bealot in the long run.
omc,
I haven’t heard anything about that, but if he did say those things, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did say them. He’s cocky, arrogant little tw*t. I didn’t like the way he was saying he was gonna win the Japanese grand prix, which he didn’t, (Giggles*) and after the race when he said, “We plan on winning the next two races”. What a moron. Someone should tell him he doesn’t need to win every race to win the championship.
I always support British drivers….But I can’t support Lewis…He’s just to up himself…..he’s certainly not that good compared to other drivers. At the moment, the best pound for pound driver is Alonso. By far.
omc, sorry i can’t speak german..
27mm, i agree totally about lewis. he really did come across as arrogant and it p*ssed me off when he said he was going to win the next 2 races as an answer to EVERY question.
Hamilton won’t win the next 2 races cos button will. That Honda is the fastest thing out there.
27mm: Lewis probably now needs to win more than 4 races to win the championship.
And another thing…
Sebastian DID NOT deserve that penalty….He was just defending his position, he had nowhere to go…Stupid desicion.
fair enough they both got penalties.
but seeing as how massa hit someone and hamilton didnt, why should the penalty be the same for both?
surely the offences werent equal?
Well done massa taught him a lesson Hamilton had to watch the whole pack go past him HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA serves him right could of caused a big accident at first corner Idiot Go MASSA Go FERRARI
F1 yankee had a point when he said why didn’t ferrari bring in raikkonen at end to boost massas points? They used to do that all the time for schmacher??
I think it would be better for the sport if lewis didn’t win the title this year, next year it should be good with all the talent coming through if they can close the gap a bit, but what the hell are all these penalties about, there was none of this when schumacher was ramming hill off to win the title etc. LOL
@ Amanda
no need to feel sorry, but thank you.
I was not surprised by the fact he described himself as the best driver in the world but comparing himself with Senna… that was too much.
in Poland we are saying something what can be translated as “if you can not say anything good about someone who’s gone – stay silent”.
gd point petrol.
in these circumstances, i suppose schumi would have been excluded as he didnt drive a ferrari then. he might have got a drive through if he had a ferrari even though he retired
how can lewis compare himself with senna. he has yet to win 3 world championships and his nations hearts. everybody here h8 him and think massa should win.
the only thing lewis has in common with senna is that he can qualify sublimely.
speaking of senna, if massa were to win the championship(undeservedly so) then he will be the first brazilian since senna to win the title
nice one JB to win. yeah I forgot shui was in a bennetton back then. I just thought, I wonder if lewis had been watching the film “Ronin” the night before his race??
when you think back all the stuff schui got away with it was unreal. winning races by driving through the pits etc, that was class “Ferrari to win this year.”
COME ON YOU BRITS< GET BEHIND YOUR COUNTRYMAN WHETHER YOU THINK HE”S A TWAT OR NOT, HE MAY NOT GET A BETTER CHANCE
U BRITISH OR NOT?
sorry 4 language.
BRING BACK SCHUI, he frightened everyone with his skill, and also he was a thinker-hamilton take note, you need to think AND drive to win world titles.
I honestly think he (hamilton) needs to battle for a few years and win it with some cred like hill
schumi would’ve cained the field this year and last
hakkinen had a near death experience before he won the title
Mind you Hamilton drove like schui in the wet at Silverstone. He deserved to bring home the points that time big style
and at monaco after moment of madness at tobac corner
There´s something rotten in the state of Denamrk….but clearly not as rotten as FIA.. it so obvious that they are doing everything they can to keep Championship open as long as they can, just to keep people interested…money talks, sports walks…
Eh.. what the hell has happend to F1? a penelty in the first corner for slightly touching another car? I can see why Massa got punished, he should’ve let Hamilton by, he was clearly ahead of him. Though, i do think Hamilton was a little stupid. Why risk it all? in the first corner with raikkonen, And later on with massa. I mean if Raikkonen was ahead of him, not that much would’ve changed, if raikkonen wins and hamilton is second, he still beats Massa, Raikkonen is no threat now.. he should take it a bit easy. and not screw up on the finish line, again.
Side note* I think it would be pretty fun if Kubica won this years GP, it can happen, Massa & Hamilton just need to screw up again, hehe. Man i bet that would feel good for Kubica’s self confidence
also on f1yankees point, the blue flag is for lapped runners, not for fighting for position
What the hell were ferrari doing in the pits last race,??????????? Shui would have punched someone if that had happened to him!
schui wouldve punched coulthard
i got post 100!
Go Lewis, go.You really know how to keep a championship interesting. A short recap.
Crashing in the pit lane. At 100 kph.
Loosing to Massa in the rain.
Driving the wrong way.
Thank you, thank you. Don’t ever change.
I like to see my self as a neutral F1 Supporter
I like F1 for the sport and the team’s, I don’t support a driver because he’s british.
I like Lewis Hamiltons driving style as it makes things that extra bit unpredictable, the last 2 seasons would have been quite boring without the contreversy he’s bought.
But I can’t really see him as a world champion yet, he’s too mouthy and really needs to humble himself a bit. At the moment I dont think any of the top drivers apart from kubica deserve to win the championship this year.
I think Im going to go back to watching btcc wtcc or DTM.
Less money involved more drivers driving their guts out more action, less intervention from their governing body’s
Felipe Massa will be 2008 world champion not because of his own driving skills but because of hamiltons lack of them under pressure. He has not learned from last year and is going to really screw it up for himself in the final 2 races. I think it is safe to say that hamilton cannot take the pressure and he cannot drive strategically and for those reasons he will lose the championship (again).
I rekon there is going to be a big crash in the next race. I love crashes me.
Totally unrelated-the stig is Damon Hill.
Related. Damon Hill called around lewis’s house today to talk about how to drive with your head engaged.
Why did bridgestone colour the groves in green on the tyres , I missed that. Is it because they needed to use the paint up, because we are going to slicks next year?
Strange isnt it? Shouldn’t the title be “Alonso wins it”? There was more to this race than a stupid penalty….
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petrol blood, they were trying to promote enviromental friendliness, Bridgestone were basically promoting being green, hence the green paint.
Have to agree with 107.Amy, lewis can drive but he doesnt have what it takes to win the championship, put any of the british drivers in that car, including davidson and they would be either in the same position points wise or would have the championship won by now.
When will the FIA just come clean and admit that no other team is allowed to beat Ferrari and that if one should look like doing so, the FIA will abuse to its power to the limit to ensure that they don’t.
I’ve watched F1 for over 20 years and never seen a penalty for someone outbraking themselves – especially at the first corner. I’m now expecting at least 3 penalty’s per grand prix for 1st corner incidents. And for anyone who laughs at my statement above about the FIA – take a look at the Bourdais incident, penalised for daring to resist a Ferrari, DISGUSTING!
It’s about time the other teams stood their ground. It’s only 2 years ago Renault were the ‘offenders’, remember the incident with their floor? Oh but Ferrari’s flexible wing…well it’s Ferrari!
I am sorry i am fed up of everyone making pathetic excuses for hamilton, that boy is a hazard to everyone elses health. He thinks of himself and only himself 100% of the time.
But not even massa’s manoeuvre would have been punishable, just a couple of seasons ago. So maybe these penalties are getting silly, but most of these posts wanna swing everything around so Hamilton gets the red carpet treatment and free pass to the championship.
I just wanna say Hamilton needs to grow up and stop throwing his toys out the pram when he gets punished for dangerous behaviour. I know this is Massa’s year and deservedly so.
stop all rubbish nonsense hamilton needs some manners. it will help him a million.
116, This is nothing to do with Hamilton, are you seriously saying Bourdais did something wrong? My complaint is about the FIA’s view of Ferrari. If they can bend the rules an inch to help them they bend them a mile.
1. Bourdais was fighting for position not being lapped – the blue *light* is to warn cars are approaching at the end of the pitlane on the main straight only, not a ‘let others past’ *flag*
2. Massa on appraching Bourdais could have a) waited / b) gone around the outside / c) clumsily messed it up and shunted Bourdais – doh! Does this guy really deserve a championship? Give it to Kubica who has quietly put in an almost perfect season, oh wait you can’t – only the red cars get bonus points.
3. Hamilton was unfairly penalised for a tame and perfectly normal first corner incident.
I’m a huge Ferrari fan (and I am becoming increasingly irritated by Hamilton and the ITV fawning), but at the moment I’m embarrased by the FIA’s rediculous politicalisation in their favour – why even let other cars show up?
i think this was a one off thing….hamilton has gotten a few penalties b4 but i thik he’ll learn from em (eventually)
What’s the big deal? Everyone said after Singapore “he can finish second to massa at every GP remaining and still win” which, essentially he did. The gap from first to second is 2 points, the gap from Massa to Hamilton on Sunday was 2 points, So he’s still on course for the championship.
this’ll probably get blocked but its along the line of a quote…
i think his balls failed on him in the first corner…..talk about shooting blanks…
Ciaran said…
Strange isnt it? Shouldn’t the title be “Alonso wins it”? There was more to this race than a stupid penalty….
how dare you say such a thing??!! don’t you understand this website is solely dedicated for the purposes of exclaiming hamilton’s greatness and how the entire rest of the world conspires against our hero? your rational thought and appreciation of the sport have no place here. away with you!
loving that all the Hamilton fan boys are coming on defending him for a stupid move first corner.
PS Hamilton bigger balls than Kimi?? Kimi went through Auo Rouge flat out through thick smoke not knowing what was on the other side, beating his personal best sector time, so yeh respect. Hamilton just shows a complete lack off respect for any other driver.
Also like to add well done to Alonso quality yet again, maybe Ron is regretting to fact he left only 2 points behind Heikki lol
Can’t anyone spell, punctuate or string two sensible words together anymore?
Just thought I would change the subject!
Hamilton 1st corner – red mist after a v. poor start requires a penalty and a “don’t do it again” finger wagging.
Massa – penalty for a sulky “don’t you dare pass me” toys out of pram reaction.
Bordais – Stupid decision by stewards.
No more to be said!
GR.
Now braking was an option for Massa, whilest at Spa braking was no choice for Lewis….you Hamilton’s fans need to make some sense…for once.
Massa went over the kerbs to avoid contact, and Hamilton, the allcocky and ballfull, thought he had overtaken Massa and drove like there was only him on the racetrack, I say he got what he deserved, Massa kept his inside line just like he did in Spain 2007, xcept he wasn’t punished because the Mclaren driver was Alonso. Who’s biased now? Massa went on the outside line with Bourais, wich didn’t admit his mistake when braking later with fresh cooler tyres, and got hit, just like what happened with Hamilton. The race was fair, Hamilton didn’t even race properly, like fight for one point…no he stayed back, where’s his braveness, his brilliancy, his equalness with Senna? Hamilton has a big mouth, when he gets the championship, then he can say something about his skills, until then he should be quiet and speak only what needs to be said to the press. He has his right to complain about Massa, btw, he was racing there and I wasn’t.
OMC said: “just got this news in polish press… during Paris hearing Lewis said “I am racing since I was 8 and I am the best driver in the world” and “I am as good as Senna”. sport.de was pointed as a source of this message.”
Yes that is correct. He said that “he’s the best in what he does.” to a Ferrari lawyer in a very pissed way. The part that he says “I’m as good as Senna.” was said to a german motorracing site or magazine if I recall. That is correct. I’m brazilian, and all I can say about that last affirmation is: “…..pfft, foolish man, he has no idea about who he’s talking about.” He’s out of control, and when using strong words like that, you need to be careful, because if it end up to be a bluff his mind will loose focus. fact he proved in Fuji now.
Can I just say something on Lewis?
Me being a hardcore Kimi fan?
Cut de Lewis some slack, will you, everyone?
He’s an incredible stunning talent, right up there with the very biggest ever, Schumacher, Senna, and those before. But it’s only his 2nd season in F1 SO THAT MEANS he doesn’t have any experience handling the stress.
Give him a break, so young and – so talented. But that’s not everything:
EXPERIENCE comes in to play right now, at the end of the championshipseasons.
Experience handling those tons of stess and great expectations of everyone,(not the least his own expectations)
+ the press giving him a hard time naming him a champion almost before he finished his first season last year.
Give him time, have a little goddamn patcience with the boy. – like a wine – he’ll get there.
I’m a drummer myself. No matter how talented any superdrummer is, we all need TIME to develop.
So does Lewis.
So let’s just sit it out, and enjoy the ride along the way: With Kimi & Alonso next to him and that Rosberg & Vettel comin’ up also we’re in for some great battles…
Comparing that guy to Senna is a sacrilege, and everyone who does that is a fool nevertheless..
@ Linuxx yeah right, how do you think Senna started man? Learn your history, retard.
“…time to develop” ?
It’s not like he’s a baby just learning to walk. He has been drving and racing since he was a boy. Stop making stupid excuses for that disrespectful little turd.
All he needed to develop was his media traing (how to deal with that media), and I am pretty sure McLaren have given him plenty of that. Its just he is so arrogant he probably gave no regard to what was taught and did/does whatever the hell he feels like doing!
@ untouchable:
maybe but I really think the pressure in F1 is quite something else compared to Go-Karting, GP3 of GP2.
Next time someone crashes into me by trying to force me off the road, I’ll get the blame !!! Huh ? Massa thought his race was more important and everyone should get out of his way, unfortunately Bourdais was at the receiving end of Massa’s rampage. I am a Lewis Hamilton fan but truly believe that Alonso deserved the win and think its just hard luck for Kov and Bourdais
i hope hamilton will be
out off the race every time
you know what i thought while watching it?
…every time the commentators mention lewis’ “aggressive driving”, they always follow it with 2 names: ‘Schumacher’ and ‘Senna’
maybe more people should drive like him?
Massa was definatley to blame for the incident between him and Bourdais. Ferrari Bia is difinatley helping massa to avoid trouble
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!LEWIS DIDN’T LOSE THE CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR HIS TEAM THROUGH IT AWAY FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
LEWIS DIDN’T LOSE THE CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR HIS TEAM THROUGH IT AWAY FOR HIM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!LEWIS DID NOT LOSE THE CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR HIS TEAM THROUGH IT AWAY FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
LEWIS DID NOT LOSE THE CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR HIS TEAM THROUGH IT AWAY FOR HIM
This is excellent.
Shows many things.
A. Lewis no where near Kove when pulling out to overtake kimi at first bend
B. Shows Kove not turning into turn 1
C. Shows Kove kocking off Kimmi
D. Show Kimi and Massa nearlly colliding
E. Overhead cam shows how Lewis end up 7ths after 2 corners
So, Lewis should not have served any penalty imo – should have been Kove if anyone.
http://uk.youtube.com/wat ch?v=Ip4p-FcrBLc
i agree with all the hamilton critisism to be honest, running his mouth like that, he is way to arrogant like back in spa when he said he would never get passed around the outside again…kimi got past him on the 2nd lap around the outside..nice one hammy.
and this week at fuji, i didnt get a chance to watch the full race but ive seen the incidents on the net and watched the highlights, i dont think massa deserved his penalty, hamilton simply left him nowhere to go, he tried staying on the race track and with the way the stewards have been lately he would have got a penalty for cutting it anyway, so he had evry right to try and stay as close to hamilton as he could, plainly becuase lil mr schoolboy thinks he owns the race track.
he really needs to grow up and i hope he doesn’t win the title this year, if anybody deserves it i think massa does, if you compare hammy to massa and how much they have improved over the last year massa wins it hands-down
hamilton : still collapses under pressure and makes silly comments to the press and thinks he’s a god
massa : has learnt to control his erraic behaviour (most of the time) and has matures greatly as a driver.
so all you brits out there climb out of hamiltons ass (commentators too please!!!!) and take a broader look at how things are.
would you be so far up his ass if he wasnt british?? no
ben you watched a different race to the rest of us then.
please explain how bourdais was penalised where nothing should have happened as the perpetrator came out second best anyhow by spinning.
SIMPLE ben said… IS AN IDIOT
Facts don’t lie.
This is excellent.
Shows many things.
A. Lewis no where near Kove when pulling out to overtake kimi at first bend
B. Shows Kove not turning into turn 1
C. Shows Kove kocking off Kimmi
D. Show Kimi and Massa nearlly colliding
E. Overhead cam shows how Lewis end up 7ths after 2 corners
So, Lewis should not have served any penalty imo – should have been Kove if anyone.
http://uk.youtube.com/wat ch?v=Ip4p-FcrBLc
Ferrari cheating conspiracy alive and well after all these years. Shame. No more F1 for me.
Marco sovarepsou
The Lewis penalty was only given because they couldn’t get around giving massa a drive trough.
It only shows, again, how utterly rotten the FIA is.
I can only imagine the frustration in the other teams, and especially Hammilton’s that these things go down like that.
For all i know the FIA, like Ferrari in its day is infiltrated by maffia, and they are making good profit of it.
I’m not really expert at F1 but think it’s a shame when the ‘officials’ start to hugely dictate results. A race is a race and s”t does happen, especially at those speeds. If ‘they’ do not want to see men racing each other and god forbid, overtaking then why do they not just do qualifying and judge it on that. A bit like rallying where they go off a minute apart. ‘Aggression’ has been criticised…Uh what?, how can you race at F1 without some aggression. There’s more aggression allowed on the M25 as far as I can see
BREAKING: See all the footage of the incidents on the following link showing all camera angles:
http://www.formula1.com/n ews/headlines/2008/10/853 0.html
It’s really funny how some people fail to admit to something which is pretty obvious. A bunch of maniacs is trying to prove that Hamilton DID NOT make a mistake.
but the truth is, he DID make a mistake, which he even admitted after the race.
however, “a panel of experts” made him think that it was NOT his fault and he was penalised because stewards are biased towards him.
When I was watching F1 last year, I had a sneaky feeling that the stewards were treating in a special way, favoured him- I mean. BUT I did not dare to question stewards’ decisions.
F1 is not football where judging is based on referee’s intuition- who CAN’T watch the situation again in slow motion ( that reminds me of Maradona’s goal in 19 80s). But they CAN do this in F1. And that makes a huge difference.
ANYWAY, If he gets penalised, there must be a reason.
I would like to make one thing clear – dynamic, fast driving in not about getting other drivers off the track every time when you can’t overtake them or they are trying to overtake you.
there are some drivers who can score points without spoiling the race for others. hamiltonians, please, calculate the points which other drivers lost because of stupid behavoiur, I dare to say that the number would exceed the points he scored this season ( just think about GP Canada and the last race).
as you might have guessed i am a massive mclaren fan,
but even i have to admit lewis screwed up a bit at turn one.
i am not really fussed about lewis’ and massa’s penalties both
were fair….ish.
but the fia really have got the bourdais incident wrong AGAIN!
you really have to think if the fia are doing it on purpose now.
get it right max pleeeaaase.
try to leave f1 with some dignity
It’s funny. After all this penalizing crap, races decided 2 hours later and all, we all think well, that’s it for me. No more F1. I had enough. There are a lot of more fair and interesting races arround the world.
But, we keep comming back. We keep watching new “circuits” in addis abeba and kabul. We wake up at 6 am with a mortal hangover and we engage in discussions over and over again.
I quit from quiting F1, I’ll keep comming back no matter how creative the stewards get. I’m yours people, I give up.
I do hope Lewis Hamilton will not become the Ian-Baker-Finch of the F1.
Just remember, great drivers do great things at great moments!
hold on, lewis didn’t screw up into turn 1. He went for the pass and got caught out by how cold tyres and track temparature was. With such low temparatures, he struggled to brake for the turn. He through it away when he decided to dice with cheating Massa. Lewis would have made turn 1 had temparatures had been hot like normal
plankhurst; like noel says on Deal Or No Deal, i know you will be back.
ben, supporting your countryman is not up his ass. That is when you fight his corner when we all know he’s done bad.
It’s all good saying you wouldn’t have attacked raikkonen into turn 1 but in the heat of that moment, and you see half a chance, wouldn’t you dive inside him? Or would you concede position and be a crazy fool, conceding defeat?
when we all know hes in the wrong. it was a poor decision to award a penalty for an incident that happens in many races.
post 158 follows on from post 157 at the end of line 2 if you don’t know why i posted that
I presume Lewis isn’t allowed to make mistakes now eh? He’s probably still mad at the fact that the championship is still rigged. We need a new FIA, one that isn’t biased and can’t be bribed by Ferarri. They’ve got the money to win fair and the talent, but they still insist on requesting Lewis be “investigated” every time they lose.
I hate politics…
i really hope kubica somehow wins the championship, that will stop all this ferrari mclaren massa hamilton crap… HURRAH FOR THE KUBICA!
and just for my piece… hamiltons thing at the start was a bit too much, atleast half a dozen cars went off the track because of him, so the penalty was just… Massa was also being stupid, the old Senna Prost stuff should not be accepted… As for Bordais, that was a shame, he got penalised for something he couldnt really avoid, Massa was just pissed like the child he seems to be, and so just tried to drive him off the track
re – new tracks.
they’re all pants – there’s been no decent racing at all on these new ones – all precessional.
boring.
How can they penalise Bourdais?
He was on line, had nose, and kept tight…
Or are drivers expected to lift at the very sight of a Ferrari?
The penalty against Hamilton was complete nonsense! Go look at the footage (from several angles) that they’re showing on formula1.com. The video clearly shows that it was HEIKKI that pushed Kimi off. Hamilton did force Kimi wide, but Kimi would have still been able to make the corner, but Heikki came up alongside him and forced him into the runoff area! Go look! Freakin’ stewards are blind!
Axl said…
BREAKING: See all the footage of the incidents on the following link showing all camera angles:
http://www.formula1.com/n ews/headlines/2008/10/853 0.html
“what do you think?”
i think it’s interesting to see the fia indulge in any kind of reporting on their website that doesn’t implicitly support the actions of the fia. acknowledging the controversy, posing the question, and providing video evidence is very different for them, and i like it. i enjoyed the video, and appreciate the fia making the footage available.
if penalties must be issued, i still think they were done correctly. the boudais incident is indeed a tough call. what i didn’t notice before was heikki following lewis in cutting off the pack at turn 1.
if you’re taking away the hamilton penalty for cutting off the pack, fine. but you must also take away massa’s penalty for the rough driving. both chose to make a risky attack – the difference is sometimes people get out of the way, sometimes they don’t.
did anyone else think the race was improved by having mclaren and ferrari out of the picture?
To F1Yankee: How can you still think the penalty on Hamilton was warranted after looking at the formula1.com video?! Hamilton didn’t “force” Kimi off, Heikki did!
And Massa’s penalty was a whole different matter. He cleary caused an avoidable collision. And I’m sure it was a hard decision for him to make *wink.* “Hmmm, what do I do? Brake harder or spin my only real championship rival?…BUMP. Bye Hami!”
I’ll have to agree with F1 yankee it relly did look like, from the footage on the inside of the corner, that Hamilton drove Raikonen off the track
Although I still don’t really understand why bourdais was penalised.
Oh and i just came here to link that footage but, as usual, beaten to it.
I’ve seen many angles of all the incidents in question. Hamilton made no move to turn in until he had cut Kimi off, in his erratic way, only then when his car was sufficiently blocking Kimi was he seen attempting to turn. Heikki was following his teammate, even though Hamilton nearly took him out too, so Kimi had no choice but to drive off track or crash. But it was all instigated by Lewis’ dirty driving.
Massa had nowhere to go. From the footage I’ve seen, Massa’s car was driving over curb and grass, even if he wanted to brake, the tyres wouldn’t have any road to grab and the momentum would have still given the same result. Hamilton driving like he owns the road offered no out for Massa. Massa was trying to just get back on the road. In those fractions of time, for Massa’s car, it was either straight or straight. Unavoidable.
Lastly, the footage I’ve seen of Massa and Bourdais, Massa had committed to the line and tried the last second to go around Bourdais, it was Bourdais on cold tyres trying to protect the inside line for himself, causing him to bump Massa. Massa didn’t hit Bourdais. Hence Bourdais getting the penalty.
Personally, I would have maybe fined Bourdais, if a penalty had to be handed. However, if Massa got a drive-through for bumping Hamilton. Bourdais would get a drive-through for bumping Massa. But just like in Spa, by the time a decision was made it was too late to initiate a drive-through and instead just docked the time. I think from a stewards prospective it leans towards some consistency in that race.
FIA giving Hamilton a penalty was good decision. If anything maybe Hamilton will learn something about respect for others racing with him (including his own teammate). I’m not a Ferrari fanatic but it’s clear that Lewis is Christ incarnate in the eyes of the British (well not all). It’s also apparent that it’s the “cool” thing to be biased towards Ferrari and have leniency to every other team.
Especially when McLaren have enjoyed their fair share of so-called ” Ferrari favoritism” from race stewards. Or do I need to remind everyone of last years rain soaked European Grand Prix where Lewis was hoisted out of the gravel trap by the crane and placed back on track and then forcing the safety car to be out longer than needed so Lewis, being 2 laps down, can un-lap himself to be back in contention for points. Or maybe when the FIA, who are supposed to be on Ferrari’s side according to some on here, rearranged the rules to forcibly cripple Ferrari’s dominance in the early 2000’s.
Take off the rose colored glasses and accept that Hamilton isn’t the best thing since breathing and the FIA are not always on Ferrari’s side. It’s incredibly played out.
Instead, take that energy and lobby for a more consistent, straight forward rules to be handed out from race stewards. No more fines versus stop-and-go’s. They should pick one and stamp it in black and white. No more, fine this driver one day and grid penalty for the next day type games. That’s what’s really hurting the FIA. The “make-up the fines as we go along” system they’re currently doing.
Damn, this was long, sorry.
Long, but worthwhile. Cheers!
Vex, your watching with your big ferrari heart and not your eyes.
Kove took Kimmi off
Massa could have broke – ran tighter round the bend but chose not too
Mass hit Bourdais who was tight on the inside line
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will the senna comparisons eventually stop now….
lets hope so
bring back 80s f1!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ho! Ho! Ho! You stupid blind-to-the-truth, totally-biased Ferrari fanatics! You can’t seem to accept the general perception that the FIA is aiding your team in winning the championships no matter what and at all costs. And all you Hamilton haters also can’t accept the fact that there’s a trace of racism deep in your heart and soul. Because Hamilton is black/colored and has many achievements very early in his F1 career and as heir-apparent to your beloved Schumi as the F1’s premier attraction?
C’mon I dare you all to accept it!!! (“I see you when you’re sleeping, I know when your’re awake’ I know if you’ve been bad (or lying)or good, so be good for goodness’ sake”!)Ho! Ho! Ho!, PEACE AND ADVANCE MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
P.S. : WE’RE BOTH COLORED RED!!!, FIA IS COLORED
RED TOO, RED-FACED FOR SHAME THAT IS!
no i hate schumacher and ferrari too
:)
hamilton is just a rubbish driver
although i hate ferrari i cant wait to see hamilton when massa wins the championship
hamilton only has achievements because he is in a mclaren – vettel and kubica are the real stars at the moment
do you not realise he is terrible??
nurburgring 07, shanghai 07, brazil 07, bahrain 08, canada 08, fuji 08……………………..
good one , Hamilton F1 Noob
lol ty holy roly poly7123:):)
i have watched f1 for longer than i can remember and probably know a lot more than people here (N.B NO DISRESPECT TO OTHERS HERE) but i have seen some of the legends in action and i no when someone is a true legend – hamilton isnt
Replace Hamilton With Bruno Senna Then You Will See Genius
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Yeh, can wait for Bruno Senna to make the transition to the F1 scene. Hope he can bring some ‘Class’ back to the F1 since the departure of schumi. And by class I dont mean good sportsmanship and that stuff, but more rather that sense of presence a great driver has, and eventually the dominance that goes along with it. Lets face it Lewis Lamilton hasnt got that presence and for sure he hasnt been that dominant.
Hope he can live up to the name in F1. If he doesnt however, his heritage may be his undoing when the bloody media vultures devour him for it.
untouchable_abz – a man talking sen(na)se
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dont worry ayrton said “if you think im fast then you should see bruno” + in gp2 he has already won monaco and many races from the pole and more importantly dominant displayes in the wet
if he is just like senna (and he will be) i cant wait for greg and or leo mansell to make f1 and then we will have senna mansell fireworks part 2
IT’S MASSA’S FAULT WHY HAMILTON FINISHED A LAP DOWN BECAUSE FELIPE SPUN LEWIS’S CAR AND HAMILTON LOST A LOT OF TIME. THEN IN THE FINAL RACE MASSA WON BUT IN THE LAST TURN, HAMILTON PASSED GLOCK AND HE FINISHED FIFTH. BUT MASSA IS NOT ONE OF THE BEST F1 DRIVERS IN THE WORLD, BECAUSE IN THE FIRST TWO RACES, HE MADE A LOT OF ERRORS AND IN THE BRITISH GRAND PRIX IN SILVERSTONE IN THE WET WHEN HE SPUN FIVE TIMES AND TWO LAPS DOWN TO LEWIS AND ONE LAP DOWN TO TIMO GLOCK WHICH FINISHED P12 AND MASSA P13.