There’s an interesting piece over at autosport.com, that says the Formula One Teams’ Association will be looking at the possibility of a new qualifying format for next season, which would change the whole format of F1 Saturdays as they currently are.
Anyway, what they’ll be discussing is an idea that would see all of the cars out on track at the beginning of the session, on the same amount of fuel, with the slowest driver being eliminated after each lap.
Then after a total of 14 laps, the quickest six drivers left would scrap it out for pole, still using the same fuel load.
There’s even an idea to include a championship point for pole and some prize money.
I don’t know how this would work with Bernie’s proposed gold medals for winners rather than points mind you, but they might not even be considering that. Which frankly I think is a rubbish idea anyway.
I’m not sure what I think of the quali idea as I quite like the current set-up, but it would add an interesting spectacle and we’d get some proper on track tussles and a realistically fastest driver on pole, rather than what we’ve had a few times this last season with whoever’s running lightest on fuel sitting at the front.
What do you think?
These new rules are being “suggested” by the FIA because there favorite team ferrari want everything tailored so that hamilton doesn’t become the next Michael Shumacker.
Bring back the old points system (10, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1) to make finishing 1st more important.
Bring back 1 Hour Qualifying with 12 Laps.
Get rid of parc ferme.
agreed, dont fix it if it aint broke, I dont know what bernie was on when he came up with the medels idea but it must have been good, I just hope they leave well alone
so far ive been negative on all the suggested changes, being the cars and points system etc.
i think this one sheds some light though. it could work. i have doubts that it’ll happen but i like the idea of the first few being the lightest on fuel, as well as the championship point for pole
It could be a mistake. Hamilton does have the power to suprise as soon as you think he can’t. Even if they did stack the odds against him, I wouldnt rule him out!
I used to love 60 minutes and 15 or so allocated laps you used to get. The current Saturday format is bringing in the crowds and freeing up the race track for when the top ten posistions are being decided.
With this proposed idea, you could have an extremely wet track and 20 cars all fighting for posistion with the possibility of collisions and even safety car situations.
I don’t think it’s the best idea they can come up with. The FIA constantly change the rules and quite rightly they had to revert back to old qualifying techniques as they ruined it in past seasons.
I really hope the BBC sign up Martin Brundle for the commentary. As great as it will be to have no adverts it will be spoilt if they don’t get the right man to commentate.
i was working on mini coopers the other week.
And found out that one side of the car on 3 of the same cars was half an inch longer!
i would like to know was it just us or is that the way it should be?
This is going to lead to all sorts of problems, if drivers cut the track or if theres an accident. I personally like the set up the way it is.
Get Martin Brundle on Top Gear.
Now he has a contract with the BBC he should be easy to get!
could someone verify my verdict please.
are mini coopers half an inch longer on one side?
Pressure on and fastest wins. Thats the real definition of Qualifying!!
This is a properly good idea. At the end of the day, people want to know who the fastest driver is and lets be honest, over the last couple of years its been really hard to say. Different fuel loads do make the races interesting but there’s not the same sence of pride that you used to get when your favourite driver is on pole because theres always speculation that he is fuelled light.
And a point for quali would be deserved.
And it means 1 mistake could see you out. Pressure on and fastest wins. Thats the real definition of Qualifying!!
Fastest wins? Makes sense to me; good idea.
I agree with Rayz to a degree…
Qualifying in Formula 1 is only to determine to the starting posistions of all GP drivers. In the race it isn’t soley down to the individual skill of the driver but also that of the tactitions of the team. Fuel loads, downforce settings, tyres and so on have always determined the overall finishing posistion of all drivers.
The A1GP came about to bring back racing wheel to wheel, watching different drivers in the same car but it’s still no better to watch then F1.
I agree that it would be a good idea to see what these drivers can really do on a more equal playing level as people further down the grid still have a lot of talent and could show that on a Saturday.
But championship points need to be given out for Fastest Laps, Qualifying and such thing’s as “Driver of the day”.
There needs to be more encouragement and reward for the hard work they put in. However, with that in mind, the same 3 or 4 drivers will STILL get the fastest lap, STILL get the pole posistions and only a great driver from the likes of Vettel may reward someone like him “Driver of the day”.
So what ever you do, Ferrari and Mcclaren are the Man Utd and Chelsea of F1. They have the likes of Ronaldo and Drogba driving for them, and no matter what you do F1 won’t change.
don’t change what’s not broken
Alan Jones won by 1/2 a point once, Lewis wins by 2 point, can’t say that’s not an insentive to stick both cars on the front row? I like this idea
Can someone please explain to HARRY(post no.1) that if he wishes to blame Ferrari for McLaren’s consistent rule breaking, to at least back up that poor point with good spelling!
McLaren have brought everything on themselves the past couple of seasons, they needed no help from Ferrari there.
Like it as it is now but I gotta admind this sounds to me as an interesting idea!
Isn’t that almost a race in itself, a qualification is suppose to set up the grid. Its suppose to show who can set a fasest lap… not who can race best before the day of the RACE. Dont try to fix something thats isn’t broken and that goes for the point system to.
Points need to be awarded right down to the last car.
It becomes a meaningless exercise beyond 8th/ 9th place for any of the drivers to try and push for position which means the TV only ever concentrates on the front cars with little attention to the rest.
Why not reverse the order they finished in for the previous GP. Have a mini 30minute GP for qualifying and wherever you finsh in that is where you start for the proper GP on Sunday
So let me get this straight. They want to have a race…before the race. To determine where they start IN the race…
:S
Pardon my JC, but that idea is preposterous.
What happens if Lewis and Massa have a tussle into one of the corners, both cars are shot but it’s Massa’s fault (according to the Stewards.) Lewis gets to go into the spare chassis and run back out there while Massa stands on point in the pit?
What if Vettel is satisfied with his ‘hot lap’ and holds up Kimmi and lo and behold he is on the bottom rung?
Too many issues and not enough information right now. But I’m with the; ‘If it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it’ crowd.
one point for pole is what i want to see.. thats all they need to change…
i liked the money for Q2 idea, winner gets half a mill eu or something
The medals is a stupid idea, it’s wishful thinking to believe that the lower teams that have almost no chance of making 8th place, will now happily be far beyond pay day every race.
And lastly the all cars on track would be impossible, the complaining now ie: “he blocked me lap was ruined” will be massively increased to the point where you would have to wait untill after qualifying for the officals to decide whos pole. :\
Cant we just have old quali back? Like everyone said it nice knowing who was fastest without the ifs or buts.
And with respect to the points system why not make a win 11 points and keep second place as 8. The smaller teams really need those points and it makes the fight for 8th place worth watching.
maybe stuck with current format but include a couple of changes such as q1 and q2 cars have same fuel loads to make it fair and q3 is a full ready to race set up as it is currently, that way teams and drivers skill is shown in the 1st and 2nd part and the fastest 10 set up for the Sunday and team tactics come into play for pole and a championship point, would mean a fair playing field, current set up and the teams race day set up all comes into play in a familiar way with ecery1 playing for the point whilst also having to consider race day, If that makes sence, what do you guys think???
why not keep the current set up but put in the extra rule of havin the same fuel load and havin to do a certain number of laps? surely that will also mean u should get the quickest driver for what ever track it is on pole?
will u jerks stop going ga-ga over hamilton??
I quite like the current quali format except quali 3 with its varying fuel loads. Let everyone run on fumes and have 2 chances to clinch it. That way the fastest guy wins and if points are to be awarded, give them to the best guy on the day. Simple really.
that sounds a good idea,and harry,it will not be biased towards ferrari!,alright?
@ sandeep…
The problem with the current qualifying setup is that if something happens towards the end of the qualifying hour (e.g. it starts raining) then none of the normally slower cars will be able to take advantage of that as they are already out – leaving the same drivers & teams in Q3.
Ambitious, but rubbish
Lets follow Martin Brundles suggestion.
Keep Quali as it is now, it’s good, for people to young to remember the old system, you’d sometimes have 45minutes of no track action waiting for the track conditions to be right, it’s better how it is now.
Martin’s idea was in Q3 they had to nominate their fuel load for the Grand Prix before Qualifying, then go do a shoot out for Pole Position with low fuel, refuelling allowed. There would be no fuel burning and the fastest man would be on Pole. There’s the added bonus of the teams having to gamble how good they think they’ll place to determin their fuel strategy, which should mix things up in the race a bit.
Erm…slowest each lap eliminated with every car on track initially, right. The current system has practical problems with a generous time limit and only a few cars on track. I think a prize for pole is a good idea. Medals…What?
i think that these new ideas are very compluicated and to be honest i think it’ll just cause confusion, rows, and overall stupidity. Guaranteed that if put in place it will go down the drain straight away.
And as for the medal system, that will not be classed as an average of how good/bad the driver has been over the cause of the year.
KEEP IT THE SAME BERNIE-GET YOUR DIVORCE, AND KEEP F1 EXCITING, AS OPPOSED TO STUPID AND COMPLETELY FARCICAL.
Ryan de Bruin
Hornchurch,
Essex
My brother had a nice idea, for the race, that they should all go back to same fuel loads. So no refueling, get to the end on one tank. Paul Horrell thinks the same, or that they should only be able to pipe the same air in. This would create real-world applications too, for fuel efficiency.
Interesting?
If you want to promote overtaking, how exactly is lining up the cars in order of outright pace going to help? At least the current system alleviates this problem by factoring in tactical decisions.
I love how there is always some idiot, who knows bothing about f1, claiming that any rule change would be in ferrari’s favour.
In terms of the proposed new quali rules…. they are awful, what was wrong with the old set up where it was just one session with all drivers battling for pole?
idiotic
quali will be more like a race then wont it
1 tank system is out of the qestion it didnt work b4 it wont work now what f1 needs now is som balance no more rule changes every year somfin changes and thats hurting the sport more than it helps because it throws up new variables so the direction can become confused lost in its self so 2 speak lets jus hope they relax about rule changes and c how things go!ps bring bac shumi then i think we will c som real racing
One hour, 12 laps.
Wasn’t broke, don’t know why they ‘fixed’ it.
The quiet times allowed good commentators (ie not JA) to fill you in on current F1 goings on and the tension always existed every qually – I remember frequently discussing with my dad as to why the qually was usually more exiting than the race and how the races could be apiced up a bit.
Stupid
i’m undecided about this proposed new quali system, but i am certain that giving a point for pole is a great idea. it would make qualifying even more exciting to watch, and we’d know the teams would be going all out to try and get the point (or maybe at the very least run one of their cars light to fight for pole, and run the other with a fuel load which tries to maximize their chances of taking home as many race points as they can). interesting…many possibilities for different strategies there actually…
and i agree about the medals idea…rubbish.
and Rayz…instead of picking on Harry, who’s speaking the truth, why don’t you try to at least back up your “McLaren cheating” talk with actual fact.
and don’t even mention “Stephney-gate,” because i have plenty to say about that…
another idea to ponder:
how about giving 1 point for finishing the race on the lead lap? this really wouldnt effect the front runners much, since they usually always do (unless they DNF). the real change would come from the creation of a sort of “mini-championship” for the mid and back of the pack teams. giving a “lead lap” point would create an incentive for the slower teams to keep pushing hard, even if they are way behind, to fight for very financially valuable points.
maybe even create a destinction between points that are earned this way, and the team with the fewest 1st through 8th position-earned points and the most “lead lap finish” points would be awarded the Team in Development Championship!
crazy, i know. but EVERYONE would always be pushing.
No point in fixing what is working properly. The current format provides ample opportunity for drives as well as for teams to use some form of strategy for the race.
Besides we’ll have plenty of changes for ‘09 season as it is no need to add more.
Marcus you are a genius totally agree.
Only problem is people at the back would be less inclined to let people lap them, but it could be mananged.
I really don’t see why bernie and other commenters want to change the points system. The two previous seasons have been so exciting because the points system keeps it close, right to the end of the season. And as for the proposed qualifying idea, it’s ridiculous. End of story.
25 points for first, 10 for second, 5 for third. A point for fastest lap.
Job done.
So KO rounds from nfs?
I like the idea of a point for pole, like old touring car races, but I’m not sure about the actual quali idea. I’ll reserve judgement until more information surfaces…
Oh, forgot – WHAT IS BERNIE THINKING ABOUT THE MEDAL IDEA? It’s rubbish, end of. The rest of the points system in races is fine, but I welcome the decision to add a point for pole.
I think everything should stay like it is, requiring both the skills of the drivers and team management.
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It sounds good, but I like it as it is.
What we need is a change to the Friday’s.
A 15 lap sprint race instead of the second session, with the finishing order from the previous race reversed to form the grid order for the sprint race.
All half points and with the smaller teams at the front, for once, they get more advert money and have a chance of surviving.
Wicked.
It sounds good, but I like it as it is.
What we need is a change to the Friday’s.
A 15 lap sprint race instead of the second session, with the finishing order from the previous race reversed to form the grid order for the sprint race.
All half points and with the smaller teams at the front, for once, they get more advert money and have a chance of surviving.
Wicked.
I’m sorry, I’m a hamilton fan but I’m not buying the idea that this new layout would throw favour towards Ferrari. Quite frankly this is exactly what the qualifying sessions need! It would make the qualifying a full-on competition in itself and would mean more fans would be drawn to the track on the Saturday too. I for one would certainly start tuning in to watch it.
Make the point system 1st 20 points,2nd 10,3rd 5,4th 4,5th 3,6th 2 and 7th 1 point
Jezza should commentate the F1 4 the BBC
Unless I completely misunderstood, it seems a crap idea to me.
If all 20 cars are on track, how possibly can you do a fast lap when you follow the one in front of you and are followed by the one behind? Does anyone remember drivers complaining about traffic?
And why not scrap for ever the idiotic fuel-load rule?
I liked the old 1 hour/12 laps qualifying, of course one isn’t going to wear monsoon tyres or to go with full tank, so you don’t have to set crap rules for fuel and tyres.
The 2003 system with single lap on both friday and saturday was pretty good too, single lap generally was not a bad idea. The last format wasn’t bad either compared to this proposal.
Bernie, forget medals, why the hell? Bring back the laurel for the winner instead.
Just save the championship point for pole position, like BTCC. Maybe for fastest lap in race too.
sounds cool, and would be interesting, but i liked the old F1 qualifying – i still think they should do the positions like BTCC thats well funny
I think it’s a fantastic idea. In fact I think they should run the whole race like that. THEN you’d get some people clawing and scraping to get to the front of the pack.
This would make for an awesome spectacle, as i sense a lot of overtaking would get done, but how would they decide initial positions?reverse of the last race’s result?
one problem – would this not make it more exciting than the actual race?
Leave the quali alone, but give a point for pole, and another for the fastest lap
Talking about changes and stuff – with the previous (pre 2003)points system the season would have ended like this:
Massa – 83
Hamilton – 80
Raikkonen – 56
Kubica – 50
i think the new cars are absolutly awful, but you never know they might grow on me before the end of the season
I think Bernie is ruining F1, first he makes this overly amibtious qualifying setup, and next year he is attempting to totally eliminate 1/2 of the team element by forcing them to use the same engines, I do hope the FIA sees some sense, before the manufacture related teams (Ferrari,Toyota and Renaut) leave F1
How about this? Keep the current system, but make all the drivers brim their tanks, and give them 5 laps to do the best lap they can.
The current setup is too confusing to explain to people, but everyone being on-track at the same time could cause accidents.
I like the points bit though. It’s like Touring Cars.
it is a good idea. on the point of cuutting chicanes to try to get in the next round, if they do it should be an automatic 2 second penalty like on Top Gear unless the stewards think otherwise.
i think they could give it a go and if it dont work, change it back, no points for poles though
there was a proposal to do this kind of session instead of Friday Practice and have a prize reward at the end.
Keep the same qualifying but let everyone go out on light fuel loads. For the race add more points positions such as 1st-20 2nd-16 3rd-12 4th-10 5th-8 6th-7 7th-8 and so on. This will make getting points for lower teams easier and create more of a championship battle lower down. Also ban fuel stops. Make each driver carry so many litres and make it last the full race.
The “fuel game” at the current qualifying setup is rubbish. 12 lap qualifying was the best format. & the plan of eliminating slowest cars from the lineup makes no sense..the “force india”, “toyota” and “honda” will always be eliminated by “ferrari, “mclaren” and “bmw”! They have faster cars and that is well proven over the years!
I like the current quali but i think this new quali idea is an interesting one and it can’t hurt to try it. If it doesn’t work then they can always revert to the old ways.
For commentry the BBC should get someone who actually knows how to win a race (so not Brundle) and a funny colour commentator.
Massa 4 09 championship!
I Reckon Russell Brand And Jonathan Ross Should Do Formula 1 on The BBC!
@Dave but the reason y quali 3 doesn’t have the back runners in is becuase they were slower in the begining, I think all drivers should start quali 1 with full tanks and be out for 5 laps and the fastest is taken, then brim the tank and quali 2 could be the same or more laps eg 7 laps, then quali 3 10laps set for race
next year is going to have so many changes already, this is just pushing it too far.
I think its time for bernie to retire
i hope BBC will let richard or jeremy to do the talking on the races
I think it’s a stupid idea because it’ll alays mean the fastest four will always be at pole and then it will be a boring race bacause everything will be predictable and everyone will be on the same stragedy. The whole point of Formula 1 is unpredictability. That’s what makes it more fun to watch. It also means het 9/10 times who ever starts from pole is bound to win the race
I think it would be a good change to the qualifying, I’m sure this would work out, and would make it much fairer for the lower down teams in the race.
( Good Idea )
At random, two or three races per season should reverse the qualifying grid. That would produce some proper racing.
I heard that Jeremy Clarkson will be playing the lead character in Postman Pat the Movie
I think it may be quite a bad idea because you would see the same people like Kimi or Massa or Hamilton on pole and never people like Button or Webber or even Fisicella!!!
First – how do you decide what order the cars go out in for what would be an extremely close “racing” lap? Will you have to qualify for qualifying!!!???
Second – 20 or so cars going round at once at speed, is bound to cause an incident sooner or later. A puncture could lead to following cars having to slow, to avoid a damaged car – your favourite driver could end up loosing a few 10th’s and before you know it be knocked out for no fair reason.
It baffles me how such ridiculous schemes can even be considered valid enough to be discussed by people who have the power to change formula one.
call me a conspiracy theorist, but i think Bernie is siding with Ferrari with the medals idea.
let’s face it, certain tracks “belong” to certain teams. For example, for the past few years, Brazil has been a Ferrari track (i.e. they win). While Monaco has gone to McLaren, and Renault before them.
I think the people who want the medal idea figure that more tracks are Ferrari tracks, and they’ll end up with the most gold medals.
The teams start out every season knowing this concept too. They focus their strengths on certain tracks over others when they know their opponent has historically done better at a given track.
so another reason why the medals idea=rubbish
and Claiborne, thanks for the compliment to my idea in comment 45!
points for this, points for that. you know what it sounds like? nascar. a couple years ago, the champion (tony stewart, iirc) won the title without a single victory all season. this caused such an uproar, they immediately overhauled the points system (to something much worse).
one could argue qualifying, fastest lap, et cetera shouldn’t pay points because points are the reward for the race itself. starting on pole is the reward for qualifying quickest.
one could also argue that f1 is boring, and there is a need to incite action among drivers. this has been used with positive results in america, especially with points paid to more cars and a greater reward for the winner.
both views have merit.
what i’d like to see:
ban on track testing during season, get rid of the silly 2 tire type rule, severe limits placed on fuel, more points paid to first place.
friday – used for testing/practice, culminating in a standing-lap shootout with 1 million pieces of currency (from the host nation) going to the fastest.
saturday – keep current qualifying, but allow cars to run any fuel load in all sessions, and refuel prior to the race.
sunday – start the races a couple hours later, so americans don’t have to get up so early on an f’ing sunday!
This essentially amounts to a full-on race to determine the grid positions for the “real” race the next day. So the question is: how do we determine the starting grid for the qualifying race, if drivers are eliminated on a lap-by-lap basis? Also, it leaves open too much room for drivers to affect the grid positions of other drivers by blocking them. How would a system like this be used in Monaco, where passing is next to impossible?
To me, this is yet another one of the FIA’s miserable attempts to “mix it up” by making the drivers do some ridiculous dance, as if it somehow puts on a better show or provides for better racing. All it will do is annoy the fans who see through the rubbish. Keep it simple. Single driver qualifying, and each driver gets 4 laps, just like the Indy 500. No song and dance. No stupid rules.
Why change what isn’t broken? the qualifing has been great in the last years, and having race fuel in the race for pole make things move interesting in the race. the teams have to decide wether to go with racing for pole or positioning for the race the next day. it bring more strategy into the races, which is why i like the older curcits more than the new one. Spa and Silverstone require balance between speed and down force as the qualifing brings postion and fuel load into play at the begin of the race, which also determines how your going to deal with pit strategy.
all these pointless changes are coming from one man and his train set. Mr. Bernie. the only thing that is going on is he what’s more money, and he’s hiding the fact with this “bring down the cost of F1″. if you what to do that, stop changing things. also instead of demanding 30 million more each race give it to the teams.
Like the idea of giving one point to unlaped cars, but might cause issues with blue flags. nice idea though. why can’t fans have more of a say. the best ideas i have heard have come from them.
the new cars still suck in my mind
haven’t grown on me on bit
why mess with something thats working fine
beside Bernie needs to worry about other things .
like a 1 billion doller divorce he has hanging over his head
the new qualifing would make it so u have to go fast all the time, not slow until q3 then go for it in the last 30 seconds. it would be incredibly competitive. i like it.
I think that they should leave the current system alone because it is a good system and so what if one team goes light on fuel? It makes their car the fastest so they should be on pole. In addition to this, the teams with larger fuel loads will get it back when they pit five laps later than the teams that ran light.
I do think that they should add points to drivers on pole and fastest laps but “driver of the day” points would be impractical because it would be the FIA’s opinion so it would obviously go to a ferrari driver.
I think that next season it will be completely different anyway with the aerodynamic rules etc. because most teams will be starting from scratch so it should be more even (hopefully!).
I’m with the “If it isn’t broken, then don’t try to fix it!”
Keep the current system,but they all have the same fuel load at start of each session.
whats wrong with the current systems? The FIA are just meddling around to try and make F1 closer despite the fact last year the was a second covering nearly ten cars! its madness!
oh yes
forgot to say nice one beanacre
(what does beanacre mean?!)
Keep it how it was!! This idea is STUPID!!!!!
STUPID!!!!Who came up with this idea!!!!!!
This is a really unfair idea because the drivers that start last have a very unfair advantage!!!!
This idea should be scraped!!!
If anybody else like me thinks this is a unfair and stupid idea, please post a message saying THIS IS BAD!!!!
Speak up!!!!!!!!
I can’t here you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
The way it is today is the best. It should not be changed.
no, everyone is going to say that i am cruel and horribke, but i think this will result iin mor crahes. crashers are good and definetly everybodies favirote bit, dont deny it
it should be more fun but the main idea of the current qualifing is to be less exiting and the actual race be the fun part, by the looks of this it will be the other way round
I think that Bernie should be thrown out of the FIA!!! First stupid aerodynamic changes that Ferrari want……….This is because Mclaren have got a lot better aerodynamics on their cars……..Second a medal system that just makes it stupid…..Third a qualifying system which will always let ferrari out first giving them pole and second on a silver platter……KICK HIM OUT!! + MAX MOSLEY TOO!!!
Bad idea.
we all know the Ferrari is the quicker car so if it is one lap basts then the FIA(Ferrari Internation Assistence!) just wants Massa to win.
Stupid Moslet and stupid bernie what is that many years in dat levl of work but no skills …..what is that ithere is none to do i think they shud just keep it lyk 08′ season
Why not start a ‘new’F1 series for out and out cheats, no rules at all (though murder would be frowned upon) who ever finishes first would be deemed the winner! Cad for one would pay top dollar to watch!
Cad also has an idea for ‘Steroid Olympics’
The only good thing about the new rules is that the same fuel load means that it will be more of a test of drivers talent. Even with that there is a downside, it shold be up to the teams and drivers what the best stratergy.
In my opinoin there isn’t any thing better than the current way of make the starting order
why fix what isn’t broken
’sorry, what did you say,FIA, you’ve been told to make massa and ferrari win every championship for years to come?
The only thing they should change in the current system is to let the cars qualy in q3 same way as in q1 and 2, mean with low fuel. Than you get a true picture of the speed, not influenced by the weight on board.
Point wise they should bring the old system back, current one hs bn introduced bcs Schumi was already champ halfway season´02, just to bring the tention back, no need for that anymore.
Most scary part damaging the sport will be the aero rules 2009, BBC DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT !!!!!!!
The cars are going to look like crap and this will make you loose yr viewers, I know the F1 sites are ignoring the subject scared to loose their viewers.
But since BBC/Top gear never seems scared to tell the true and since F1 is such a British sport I hope you guys ring bells….
I hope either Ferrai or Mclaren win the next championship.
Has anyone heard? Mark Webber has broken his leg after his mountain bike collided with a car! Seems his bad luck isn’t stopping any time soon.
Get well soon, Mark.
Also, the new quali: I like the everyone is on the same fuel idea, but the rest is a bit silly.
i want bmw to win the divers and constures
Leave quali as it is . Too much potential for crashes, safety cars etc with this idea
Forgto to put my name in
with adverts gone you will be able to watch more of the race…………. but who would want to watch the races altogether when the cars look so ugly? it would be like eating a wonderfully tasty ice cream but with ketchup as a topping. (i know this doesn’t have much to do with the proposed qualifying system (which i also hate)) PLEASE stop this self destruction F1
we should start a campeign to get rid of Bernie, medals?!!! what on earth is he on? might aswell tell everyone other than Ferrari and Mclaren to p*** off.
if they want more overtaking, why dont they award points for overtaking on track? even better, put a bullseye on the championship leader’s back: 5 points for overtaking the championship leader.
sounds good cos then you wont have people saying oooh well felipe was 1.2 laps lighter than us so thats giving him 0.000323 of a second and thats why were second. the proposed system would focus on the drivers ability not the pit crews
how about no quali and where you finished in the last race decides where you start for the next one…. but the other way round so if you finished last you start first etc.
If you were to give points for the fastest lap drivers would speed up at the end of the race rather than slow down to preserve there engine
There are a lot of people on here who seem to dislike the new F1 car tech rules and resultant aesthetics. If this means closer racing and a lower budgets (so the privateers can come back) then I’d rather see ugly excitement than boring beauty.
I like the sound of that.
great idea
The new quali idea sounds good as it would mean the fastest driver would be on pole not just the guy on lightest fuel and right tyres at that time.
I think a point for being on pole would be good but someone mentioned a ‘driver of the day’ point which is just stupid. Firstly how would it be judged and imagine all the contraversy over that. It’s opinion at the end of the day and with something as important as F1 you need hard facts. Secondly F1 isn’t about a guy who did shit in quali doing well on the day it’s about an overall performance which means winning the Grand prix and doing well in quali. I think making F1 more equal will just work in Hammys favour and will help Alonso out a lot more as we seen when his car improved at the end of the season. Next year will be really good and i hope we see more of Vettel, Kovi and Alonso to make it more interesting but I think its the start of Hammys 7+ world titles
Has no one noticed the fact that everyone ignored comments nr. 7 and nr. 10? That guy is as bit off topic. Mate, whats your Mini got to do with F1 qualifying?
i like qualifiying as it is but if you can have any fuel load on pole then we will start seeing people leading from begining to end which is boring.
I like the sound of the new qualifying, it would make the Saturdays more interesting but there could be collisions and messing about with the safety car.
It would put the best driver on pole and an extra reward would be up for grabs but really the F.I.A are just messing about.
There’s no need to change anything, every thing’s easy enough to understand and good enough to watch the way it is.
i only think that martin brundel is only good on the pit walk where everybody trys their best not to talk to him i think that james may and clarkson would be better at the job than him
i say keep it as it is! as much as i respect bernie ecclestone… his idea is extremely stupid!
this is my view on the medals system. A championship should not be decided on wins. A championship is a full season so therefore there needs to be consistency and the medal system will not reward consistency.
most people are complaining because they want a qualifying session where the grid is reversed etc. well the whole point of qualifying is that the fastest man starts on pole position. if you employed the reversed grid policy in valencia or anywhere, the winner will be the polesitter as the faster drivers will be stuck in traffic all race. The point of a grand prix is that the winner is the fastest driver, not the one who benefits from some rubbish qualifying system.
I think the FIA should set up one car for the track, and each driver takes it in turns to do a few laps with the same fuel load each and new tyres each etc, and whoever gets fastest lap is pole and so on, that way theres no advantage to having a faster car and its a level playing field
different drivers have different styles and different set ups though
i think all the cost-cutting rules should go out the window. THEY DON’T WORK! the point of the multiple-race engine rule, etc. is to help the “poorer” teams, but it just doesn’t work!
the logic just isn’t there. Toyota is the richest team, yet look where they are.
and which teams exactly are the poor ones? the ones these rules are supposed to help? Force India? Um no…they have billions at their owner’s disposal.
Honda? Toro Rosso (Red Bull)? Um, no.
Unfreeze the engines, no multi-race rule, bring on customer chassis and call it a day.
You wanna see teams like Force India do better? don’t cut costs, instead let them buy McLaren chassis! Adrian Newey (ex-McLaren head of design) designed the Red Bull and Toro Rosso cars, so those are basically customer McLarens anyway!
these aren’t the good ol’ days anymore people. the days of Minardis and Jordans are over! deal with it! enough of these psuedo-egalitarian rules and face facts. You can cut costs as much as you want, but you’re not gonna help the so-called little guys get to the front unless you let them buy cars from the front runners.
and before any of you start crying that F1 will become like Champ car was, or some other essentially one-make series just remember: At the very least, there will still be different cars developed by Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota, BMW, Honda, Renault, Williams, and maybe Red Bull. Who cares if Force India doesn’t develop their own cars?
the quali format is awesome. the same fuel method seems fair to all the teams. the gold medal is rubbish .the unique trophy is the best and fia should retain it(ferarri please advice them). if possible please sack mosely and recruit jeremy clarkson
this is a stupid idea because it provides an inventive to be the second slowest and to save fuel. and in case of an accident all other drivers will slow down because of that. how ridiculous.
f1 quali is fine as it is having all cars out at the same time increases risks of accidents
medals and qualifying, why? what is wrong with the current systems, stupid stupid bernie, whys he changing everything? every year the is another stupid change with 1, 2 or 3 new tracks being added to the calendar, just so bernie can make more money from them than the classic tracks (silverstone, montreal, san mario, france etc.) and they get kicked of the calendar as a result. you stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid idiot Bernie (to put it politely). are you kicking out your wife because you can make more money from someone else?! ITS MADNESS!
i don,t think this is a good idea because the Quali setup is gr8 and exciting as it is. And if they did change it would be to much like the old setup which quite frankly boring.So no thanks Bernie!
The vast majority hear seem to be screaming FIA bias in this proposal, but it’s come from FOTA, not FIA. Which means the teams. Last time I checked they weren’t all biased towards Ferrari winning all the time.
For this to work (and not have cars impeding each other or whatever) I think they need some sort of time delay in letting them out of the pits at the start – if you get all 20 on the track at once there is going to be so much moaning about being held up. It COULD work though, and still has the possibility of giving crazy grids (for example Lewis has one of his moments, runs wide and ends up in 10th or something). But really, what’s wrong with it now – the only tweak that would give us maybe a more realistic grid is having Q3 as low fuel too (as someone suggested with teams giving their fuel load amount to the stewards before the session started).
There is a plus side though – at least if this does go through we won’t have James Allen trying to explain it to us every race weekend!!!
i think they should do qualifying in f1 the same as moto gp then everyones got an equal chance of pole position which would maybey get some of the drivers who are normally on the back of the grid further up the grid
joei, since when do you get penalized for pushing someone wide on the first corner and why wont massa get penalized properly for cutting a corner and spinning someone, have you even been watching f1 or have you been listening to a ferrari fan. That first paragraph is rubbish. All f1 officials love ferrari and hate mclaren.
and comment 81, what the hell has postman pat the movie got to do with formula 1
How hard can it be?, I think you are confusing the FIA and FOTA – the latter being representives of ALL the teams on the grid, which to me suggests somewhat less bias than is implied within these comments. It is the FIA/stewards that give out penalties, not the FOTA.
I may be mistaken, I often am and are not afraid to admit that, but I have been watching the sport for as long as I can remember.
‘damn it, we could of won big trofies if it wasn’t for that fleabag, Lewis.’ said Ferrari.
That means lewis is better. The FIA shouldn’t favour teams. We still beat Massa. Why should anyone support a team which cheats and still loses?
i love the way how the sore losers (ferrari fans and lewis haters) are coming up with ways to ‘prove’ massa was better by using the proposed medals table and the old points scoring system.
face the facts
1. L. Hamilton
2. F.Massa
i am sure the fia will help you with rule changes you next year.
I think that they should keep the current format for the first two sessions and then have single lap qualifying for the final ten cars. Also a world championship point for pole position.
the quali is fine as it is now, but if they had to change it, i’d bring back the old one.
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by the way, the last comment by me.
It carrys on, i just got bored.
i think they should stay with the way it is now
don’t fix something thats not brocken
love top gear big up 2 the stig
This is a terrible idea!!!!!!
What would happen if a driver purposely gets blocked because of team tacktics?
What would happen if drivers set identicle lap times, who would get eliminated?
What if someone gets a puncture?
Remember, this is the idea of all team bosses, I think quali is fine the way it is
they should all just get into a big fight and who ever wins gets pole, and gets to decide the following positions, that would make it interesting
Either keep the current qualifying format, or revert to the one-hour 12-lap mad dash. But bring back qualifying tires.
sounds brilliant hamilton will still kick ass
I´m spanish and think that the actual qualify is better than 2009 law. Lewis the best!
Keep it the way it is!! Also, Martin Brundle should be carried over from ITV to BBC!
I agree lets go back to the old ways.
Also do away with refulling during the race ONE tank of fuel. We did it in the past lets do it again back to wheel to wheel racing !
Not pit lane leap frog.
Bring back the 12 lap, 1 hour session. Getting a run of 4, 3 laps with a flying lap in the middle was the best.
To be honest i really do think this sounds like a great idea….simply because this means all the back runners will have a chance to get some points or even perhaps win a race this is great news for the smaller teams i think
I think the races should be changed, they start with a full fuel load and one set of tires, no pit stops. Because, lets face it pit stops are boring and it would give drivers like Jenson a chance, and of course vice versa show up drivers like Hamilton as being reckless rookies
Yeah bring back the old race rules, no pit stops. Because, lets face it pit stops are boring and it would give drivers like Jenson a chance, and of course vice versa show up drivers like Hamilton as being reckless rookies.
Can I ask about the penalty Hamilton got in Belgium where he cut the coner to avoid hitting Massa. Then in the Japanesse Grand Prix Massa didnt cut the coner and plooughed into the back of Hamilton spun him out and cost him a load of points? All massa got was a drive though penalty?! Whats up with that?
what i would do is, keep the basic qualifying system as it is, but give a point to the pole sitter at the end. However the grid would be worked in reverse based on the average lap times of the qualifying session. they already have friday and saturday practice to set-up the cars.
They would have to monitor how the cars lap times sit with that in comparison to last years race times, and at the end of this years race times to ensure nobody is sandbagging to get higher up the starting grid. you could use some averaging calculators based on the entire field to work out if someone is doing considerably better in the race than in qualifying, and if so they would get docked places etc.
other than that leave everything the same or extend the points, so that lower level teams have a greater ability to get more.
hamilton will never be as good as Shumacker but do hope he moves to ferrari so he knows wats its like to be in a real team.
Wish it wud go back to the old Quali
INSTEAD OF ONCE, NOW FIA HAD TWICE!
Two chances to screwed up the team they dislike too! (most of the time is McLaren).
Yes!.. There’s no doubt for me it’s GOOD IDEA! BUT.. just if it was NOT BIASED to anyone! (exactly Ferrari).
BUT.. I DO REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY DOUBT IT!
sounds cool but will it work???
I don’t think so. I to hard to understand and it could get very ugily if someone does’nt get their own way. e.g. Lewis Hamiltion!
hamilton is already set to be a legend in f1.
he does not need to move to ferrari. he just needs a better co driver, such as, vettel or kubica. These are brilliant drivers without a ‘proper’ team behind them.
If this was the case then i doubt ferrari would have won the constructors championship.
but my thoughts on the quali is keep it as it is, it makes the race more interesting as qualifying first does not mean you’ll end the race in that position. pure speed is great, but consistency and tactics win championships.
It’s bad idea to have all cars on the track at once in the qualification, there will be a lot of complaining that slower cars will block faster ones, to avoid that, then how to determine who will be faster and who should start ahead of others. In my opinion the best qualification has still been like it was in mid 90s, 1 hour qualification, 12 laps and no parc ferme.
…Actually, just lose that parc ferme rule and qualification will be much more enjoyable. And proper faster driver will be on pole.
Can’t say I’ve read all 170 preceding posts but…
1. the current format works well, and works into the tactics of the first part of the race too. Keep it.
2. 1 point for pole
3. 1 point for fastest race lap – so someone who’s had an off will still drive hard to pick up a point.
Indycar used to do a point for pole and fastest lap and it worked well.
keep it how it was better that way
Didn’t like the old qualifying system (1 hour – 12 laps) – it made for rubbish TV coverage… 52 minutes of empty track and 8 minutes of mad panic.
The system as it is now is not bad at all, but the major problem I see with that new idea is that presumably, the first session would see all 20 cars line up in championship order and then set off on a sprint race… So, you’re far less likely to get ‘upsets’ and the cars further back on the grid have had it – there’s no way they’ll be able to fight their way back up.
What might be a good idea is to have Session 1 as it is now, a straight knockout of the last 5 cars.
Then, the remaining cars go out for a sprint race (in the order they qualified in Session 1)
This would force drivers like Hamilton (who, in about 14 of last years races only did 1 hot lap during the first qualifying session) to go out a couple of times to make sure they get a decent spot on the grid for the sprint race.
Top 10 in the sprint race go again for a standard 3rd qualifying run to work out final grid positions – and to stop the sprint race turning into a non-event with all the guys from 1st to 8th position sitting happily where they are and not attempting to overtake anyone – award half points for it (5,4,3,2,1 for the top finishers)
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I like the current set up, but maybe a point for pole is a good idea, encouraging people to go agressive on fuel and make an exciting race ^.^
The knockout idea only came in 3 years ago and I think its serving its purpose really well, personally I really enjoy it.
DONT bring back the 1 hour 12 laps! Soo boring.
We can all agree that there isn’t enough action (passing for position) during most races. The solution is simple: The starting grid should be the reverse order of the current driver standings (using last year’s standings to set the grid for the first race of the new year).
This would create massive action and it might produce a bit more parity…
But Lewis would still win…
The new qualifying idea sounds much better, but who cares about what happens in F1 anymore?
When will we all learn that BTCC and WRC are much more exciting to watch?
Also, Bernies’s gold medal idea is rubbish.
has anybody heard about the new BBC F1 team? It is:
Anchor: Jake Humphrey (sometimes does score and did Olympics)
Pundits: David Coulthard (F1 1994-2008) and Eddie Jordan (former Team Jordan Grand Prix manager)
Commentators: Jonathan Legard (Five Live i think) and Martin Brundle (F1 1984-1996 and Commentator 1997-)
Pit Lane Reporters: Ted Kravitz (Reporter on ITV) and Lee McKenzie (Eurosport i think)
James ‘The Cock’ Allen isn’t in it. HOORAY.
In his words “Is Massa on pole?! No! Yes!”-2008 European Grand Prix Qualifying.
Also Mark Webber has broken his leg and will miss most of testing.
If something isn’t broken you don’t try and fix it
This idea sounds pretty cool on the face of it, but the end result on saturday afternoons would be cars lined up on the grid in exactly their order of speed, therefore nil overtaking on sundays, seems a bit stupid to me. also gets rid of any opportunity for tactics.
Not that any of it matters, whenever I think about how ridiculous the cars are going to be next season I realise I probably won’t be watching anyway. All this changing wing flaps during the race and boost buttons coming in…..what happened to the drivers using their driving to overtake, its turning into a real life version of mario kart. not to mention how ridiculous the cars will look next season. When will the FIA learn that the reason the cars and aerodynamics became so mutated was because of all their meddling and rule making. they want to take the development away from engines but stop the teams spending on aerodynamics, these people are idiots why are they allowed to govern this sport???
i fear lewis hamilton may have won the last ever true drivers world championship.
well said chad (184), i also fear you are right.
don’t go to hard on james allen, the real stig (181), he had some bad moments but he wasn’t awful…….. maybe! i like him anyway. murray walker was a hard act to follow. whats Jonathan legard like, is he any good?
only webber could have broken his leg, he’s SOOOOOOOO unlucky!
i swear he will be leading his home race and a satellite will fall into the earths atmosphere and hit his car!
@ auto rock
Jonathen Legard is a good football commentator, hopefully he’ll be good.
nice one anonymous (155).
i like to see spanish lewis fans
catersam, listen to the song auto rock
have i seen you commenting on other blogs?
i think they should use the same system as a few years ago where they have a time limit to do a fastest lap and thats it, simple yet good..
Qualifying At the moment gets rid of the slow no-hopers in the first session; quite frequently last season some of the top drivers were dropped in the second session; and with team strategies in play for the final session, we saw a host of different drivers qualifying on the front row of the grid.
It was great to watch qualifying and see someone like Vettel or Glock etc. getting ahead of the Ferarris and Mclarens quite regularly.
When it comes to the race, you then have some potentially slower cars at the front which keeps the pack closer together and brings more overtaking chances.
Also with teams who dropped out in the first two quali sessions choosing their own strategies After qualifying, you again have more overtaking in the midfield. And still a chance of points for those starting outside the top ten.
Basically I am saying keep the qualifying as it is.
Also, If there were no pit stops then what is the point in the constructors championship?
It is not just an individual drivers title but a team sport also. Again if there is no pit stops then any car who has a car fault or small accident is doubly punished by being the only car stopping!
If everyone has to pit then they can change strategy and still play a big part in the rest of the race. Besides was it not entertaining when Ferarri messed up their pit stops so badly? (Not a dig at Ferari, but lets face it they really made a mess).
The idea of an extra point for pole position is fine because it doesn’t really change anything and would still be easy to understand.
Most other suggestions would not in any way improve the sport.
And the medal thing is just rediculous!
I’m not a big F1 person, but from what I understand, F1 has always been at the forefront of automotive technology. With more of the world becoming more involved in environmental and economic issues, why shouldn’t F1? If they can translate their technology from race cars to road cars, why shouldn’t they be able to translate the demands of road cars into race cars?
This idea would be similar to the boys’ economy race this week, forcing the driver to balance speed and fuel economy. The constructor would also have more of a challenge as they’d have to build a damn good car the first time or lose it all.
Bigger challenges create higher standards which, in turn, create better drivers and constructors. If a driver or team can’t keep up, then F1 isn’t for them.
keep the current format but remove that race fuel rule in q3… i don’t care if the lightest car wins, qualifying is all about the fastest car/driver over a lap.
for all the folks promising to leave if the cars are ugly, please do. you are not sports fans. feel free to put your best dress on and discuss interior design at your local club…the one with the leather guy out front.
Blah blah blah blah, you Brits think that F1 is British and that the FIA are against your nation of ‘wet islands’. Well it ain’t and the new quali format is good as is the medal system proposal. Now go continue sobbing from the beating the Springboks gave you – 46 points to 6. Pitiful wet islands poor excuse for Rugby. Sis
Sooooo, Mr Lewis Hamilton will still kill all the opposition. Man he gat skil and sh!t like that ya know what i mean. Blam! blam! Massa – he dead, another blam! Kimi he drunk. Blam! Alonso oh boy he speedy Gonzales so he’ll probably try to do a Endereee Ibaa!!! on Hammy.
Yeah that’s what i thought – this is exactly how stupid 98% of the posts on this site sound and smell – like lump of wet dog sh!t seeing that it’s an island of wet weather.
Bernie and Max must lay awake nights dreaming up this rubbish. Trouble is, they don’t think it all the way through. How are they going to select the order for this first quali? Who chooses? Bernie? Whatever the starting order is for this type of quali, will most likely be the same for the race, because everyone else will get blocked throughout the remainder of the pack. How are they going to set the grid for quali?? Is Bernie just going to put Ferarri up front every time? Are they going to have a pre-quali quali to set the grid for the quali that sets the grid for the race?? Gawd, leave it alone.
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I have always liked Coulthard ever since his early days at Williams, batteling with Mansell for #1-#2 driver status. I will never forget the spectators sign at F-1 Britan that said “WE LOVE YOU NIGEL, BUT GIVE COULTHARD THE KEYS” Those were the best years for F-1 when there wasn’t so much “bloody politics” from Bernie and his STOOGES! oops,ummm? I meant “stewards”
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Surely if there’s one area of F1 that really doesn’t need another round of pointless changes, it’s Qualifying? Just how many variations are we fans supposed to sit through? They’ve only just got it (just about) right. Message to Max n Bernie’s road to nowhere – leave it alone, before we die of exposure to idiocy.
Speaking of which….medals? Really?! There must be some fine schmokes at those undergound late night parties Max frequents to come up with such a bonkers idea as this one. In fact, the only thing that makes it less bonkers is the fact that we’ve already been give KERS earlier on the year. Hello – Old people running the show, what’s next? Weapons? I liked Wipeout on the Playstation too, but never felt compelled to equip my car with plasma bolts. Slicks and cheaper engines was fine. Add-ons that electrocute your own team-members are not.
I think Max secretly wants to bring back the JPS Lotus, as they match his shirt colour….
Where on earth are they going to paint the “white-stripe” on slick tyres,though?Lol.Or have I missed a trick?
Anyway.Marcus,for all your posts,you are brilliant.But forget the conspiracy theories if you will,both Bernie and Luca are thinking of changing the scoring system because they are the only people in the world who don’t realise that,had the stewards been consistent and fair in their decisions this season,Hamilton would have won at Spa and Valencia…What I would ideally like to see is them change the scoring system,then have the misfortune of finding consistent stewards,and have to revert to the old system again in a year when they realise the person who wins the world championship wins it because they are better than the others.And that’s how it always was,that’s how it always will be.
About this proposed quali change…I don’t see it working.On ultimate pace,you will still find the McLarens’,Ferraris’,BMW-S aubers’ at the front,with the Force Indias at the back.Perhaps there are talented drivers at the back of the field,but if your car is two seconds a lap slower than the front runners,at the back is where you’ll stay.This if Formula One,no driver is two seconds a lap faster than another.
Final thought…Keep the current scoring system(quite often we see excellent battles at the end of the race between the smaller teams for the last points,and the opportunity to fight for those points is the least they deserve)and bring back the old one hour/12 lap quali system.What was ever wrong with it?
And then…As stated in a earlier post,why would you want to put the cars in order of fastest to slowest?Then who would be overtaking who?No overtaking?Then for what good reason are we putting up with these grotesque,slow cariacatures of what Formula One cars should be?
Hands up now,everyone who thinks the tailenders are one and a half to two seconds a lap slower than the frontrunners because they aren’t all on the same fuel load…
C’mon.Wtf.
@Sledgehammer-Lol.Brillia nt.
I rekon whoever kicks james allen the hardest in the nuts gets pole. fair and fun
Seems like most all comments on here are right on target. Why don’t we lock Max, Bernie, and the race stewards (stooges) in the trunk of a Citreon and slowly roll it off a cliff. Afterwards we can elect a new group of officials from posters on here to run F-1. I GUANANTEE that fans can do a better job, because we won’t fu*k it up. We know what we want and we know what works. Why can’t Bernie and Max understand what works??
“Competition Is Dead”: why thank you for the compliment! i try…
as for people who don’t try: EL ROBERTO (160,161), do you care to explain yourself? because your post made no sense at all really.
for starters, F1 pit stops are one of the greatest sights in all of motorsports.
second, i don’t see how no pit stops would make Jenson and his Honda about 7/10ths a lap quicker…
Apparently, not merely content with fixing engine development to a single supplier and making the cars look less Adrian Newey and more Adrian Mole, the uber-arses at the FIA are now looking at reducing the engines down to 1.8 litre turbo units. Somehow, I can’t imagine that, given the current eco track the F1 derailed train is heading down, we’re going to see the 1,000bhp-plus we had the last time small turbo-engined F1 cars were around. In fact, I’d guess that, with the likes of KERS supposed to make F1 more in touch with real cars (although which real cars, I’m not sure), the 1.8 litre units will be altogether more familiar (anyone with an Audi or VW might start getting excited now). In fact, why not give the more cash-strapped teams Blue-motion? That way they can save tax on emissions. Not sure what the pencil-thin tyres would do for ultimate handling though….
Marcus is spot-on, F1 is the pinnacle of technology in motorsport, and technology costs money. Savings need to be made to ensure continuity but without compromising the primary position of the sport. Also agree that pit-stops are essential at worst and utter Hollywood at best – anyone who thinks F1 would be better without them needs to sit in a darkened room for a while. Without Oxygen.
As much as I love the human aspect of the competition, I love the engineering challenges that each team overcomes in slightly different ways. I’m also a believer in form following function. Currently, the engineering way seems to be pretty universal, and if the resulting form is anything to go by, next years’ cars are designed to function horribly. I jest, of course, but can’t stop this niggling feeling that F1 is slowly being destroyed from the inside out.
Stephaan reckons we fans could run the F1 show better than the gimmer brothers. I reckon he’s right.
Competition Is Dead – cheers for the smiley!! Spot on about the points system too.
By the way, if Fernando Alonso does quit F1, as he’s threatened to do if the single-engine rule is brought in, will he go back to making Dolmio adverts??
So essentially…they’re going back to the old form of quali (or something similar).
And back to slicks…
And people want points arranged to make first place more vital…again like the old days.
So, in essence:
Everything Max and Bernie have done in the last decade is to be undone and reverted to the way it was (should always have been).
Put up your hand if you’re saying “I told you so” in your head.
*raises hand
Lmao to 604Yarks:
*raises my hand*
Your right…We might as well celebrate 1997 in the new year & not 2009 cause that’s what were going back to in a sense (in F1 anyway).
The thing I hate about F1/FIA/Bernie etc is the need to keep changing Quali…But then again, people like change (I think)
It would be quite good in one way in others it wouln’t be completely fair becuase what happens in qualifying if someone holds you up on one lap? You are not in the safest of positions. But it might show raw talent and show you how good the drivers are and how well the teams work to get a good setup.
The medals thing might not work as the points at the moment can show consistensy throughout a season but if medals were introduced it might ruin the true and better driver as one driver could get 5 gold medals and do badly throughout the other races and someone gets 3 gold medals but through the other races, scoring 4th places and 3rds but the other person getting 12th places and low scores. I don’t think Bernie has thought these ideas through.
I think they should go back to the rules of when Mansell, Prost and Senna were racing.
I think it will showup the good drivers from the bad so its a good idea but I bet its floored.
Go Lewis
Go Lewis
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Massa is S**t
So that other Ferari Driver with the weird Raik name.
Jenson is a good driver but may be he should try it as a commentator for the BBC
Also Fernando Alonso should drive for Ferrari as he is the best form driver in F1
medal for a pole postion give me a break the person who came up with that is a total freak and idiot
bring back the fair qualify session
by the way my fav driver is ferny alonso go alonso show em how its done
with regards to one of the first comments i read on here, ‘realistically the fastest driver on pole’. May i remind you that with 18 cars (now) on track the fastest driver might make mistakes or get held up and be nowhere near. a good spectacle at the beginning of the season but when the championship is on the line it will ruin things
How about
Drivers draw lots to establish qualifying session order of running
One lap from a standing start with a brimmed tank.
You crash out during qualifying – no race for you on sunday
+1 point for fastest qualifying time
What I think the FIA should do is simply copy the qualifying format of SuperLeague Formula. In SuperLeague Formula all of the teams are split into two equal groups for separate 15 minute qualifying sessions. From these sessions four cars from each group will proceed to the first knock out stage which is the quarter-finals. The remaining eight cars will then race against each other in a time attack format. They will queue up in the pit lane and the first two cars will be sent out as a pair to race each other. This will be repeated three more times with the other six cars racing as pairs, the faster of the pairs making up the semi-finals. This same process of elimination is used for the semis to make the final, leaving the last two cars to thrash it out for pole. To make the race weekend even more interesting the FIA could split the race into two halves with the winners of race 1 starting at the back of the grid allowing the team that finished last in race 1 to get some points for their team. Therefore it’s not so predictable that McLaren and Ferrari will always occupy the podium, taking away the majority of points after each race.
people
thers a lot more that goes on behind the sceens
its about time .
they have had it to easy up until now
now the race starts and it may get very messy
put more games on
Can we just have qualifying which shows which car/driver is fastest? Isn’t that the point of racing, even F1. Use the current format and get rid of the stupid race fuel final session and have a real shoot out. Yes award an extra point, do that for fastest lap in the race as well.
I think they should have two races a sprint 1hr on a Sat and 2hr race on the sunday and forget qualifying.
The grid would be a reverse grid based on this years or in the case of the 1st race last years position in the drivers championship. It would give some great racing and over taking. Just look at Brisca Stock car racing the best guys still win but they have to over take the whole feild fantastic racing.The two race set up would give fans a real show on a sat
has anyone seen the reports from a goverment body about Donnington being a missed oppertunity to do something great with the grandstands.
Im sorry but the goverment finds cash for Banks 2012 but not the British GP. i think if they want to comment they should put some money in
Fuel load doesn’t seem to matter to the Brawn GP guys.
Button on pole by 0.6 secs with more fuel than Vettel.
just shows you its not the fuel, its the car.
We need to scrap Quali and have a hours sprint race on the Sat and 2hr race on the Sun. The grid for the 1st race is the championship position in reverse and then reverse champion position for the rest of the season.
works in stock cars that way they have to over take