The shocking news from Japan this morning is that Honda have announced that they are pulling out of Formula 1 immediately, due to the rapid deterioration of their core car selling business off the back of the current global economic climate.
The team will be put up for sale from right now, and it is believed that if a buyer is not found by March 2009 then the team will be shut down before the start of the next season.
This could leave Brit Jenson Button without a drive next year, and could also see the 700 strong Brackley based outfit without jobs.
In a statement this morning, Honda president Takeo Fukui said: “We, Honda Motor Co., Ltd., have come to the conclusion that we will withdraw from all Formula 1 activities, making 2008 the last season of participation.
“This difficult decision has been made in light of the quickly deteriorating operating environment facing the global auto industry.
“Honda must protect its core business activities and secure the long term as widespread uncertainties in the economies around the globe continue to mount. A recovery is expected to take some time.
“Under these circumstances, Honda has taken swift and flexible measures to counter this sudden and expansive weakening of the marketplace in all business areas.
“However, in recognition of the need to optimize the allocation of management resources, including investment regarding the future, we have decided to withdraw from Formula 1 participation.
“This will include offering the team for sale.
“Finally, we would like to take this opportunity to sincerely thank our fans and all those who have supported Honda’s Formula 1 efforts, including everyone in the world of Formula 1.”
It makes you wonder how many other car manufacturers will leave F1?
And this seems a bit crass straight off the bat, but what’s Jenson going to do next season – go to STR, or get a job on the BBC commentary team?
…what a g*ddamn shame…
can’t say nothing else really. I’d hoped to see Jenson back in the higher regions of the quali- & race results…
But right now he can call himself lucky if he just gets a drive…
I reckon Jens would be great as a commentator – he did one race a few years back when he was suspended and was ace!
I guess that other car companies who aren’t doing well in F1 might follow Hondas’ example. Do I hear Toyota?
After the season that he’s had with Honda last year, a stint at STR would be a good move. They proved with Vettel that they have a decent package together, so it may be a chance for Button to get his career moving gain.
Bet he wishes he didnt stay at Honda now….
Some say he’s the Stig’s Evil Twin
Button could go anywhere from DTM to WRC.
if you look back into his history before f1 jenson won everything he entered in and effectively the schumacher of england however upon joing f1 things didnt really go his way through car trouble and obvious first year crashes and after stints in renault and bmw he found himself in honda realistically he only has himself to blame as he had 2 good chances with 2 good teams honda was kind of the final and only team he could join and there car with out being nasty is crap despite them making their own engines and eveything, however i cant see him disepearing he waould be best to go into a team like toyota or as said above try to get into red bull it would be a shame to lose him as unlike hamilton being in f1 hasnt gone to his head
Stunned by the news and gutted for Jenson. We were only discussing the other day how Honda were possibly going to be the ones to watch next year, what with Ross Brawn’s input into the team and the ‘09 car combined with the potential driver line-up of Senna and Button. Hopefully someone buys the team as F1 with only 9 teams is going to be pants! And i know Honda have blamed the credit crunch but would the fact that Max and Bernie have made/are making it so that you’re only going to win if you’re driving a red car have anything to do with their decision?
Sad news from Honda this morning. Living in Brackley, I hope the jobs of all the men and women will be saved by a new buyer.
Good luck to the team. F1 needs you!
sad that honda left. but i am sur that mclaren is the most likely team to buy honda. they may let prodrive to manage the team. button may get his job but not sure about rubens
It is a shame that honda is pulling out. I love formula i’m a massive ferrari fan (can’t believe that last race the honda obviosly slowed down on purpous to let the golden child win) but it’s sad that they’ll be no honda. Why can’t they get rid of those damn toyotas or mclarens
I meant toyota slowed down not honda sorry
I love top gear. Now that i’ve thought about it. I don;t want mclarens or toyota’s to go. Cause than there won’t be enough manufacturares. I thinl F1 needs more teams like Porsche, Lambo, Maserati and even Hyundai and Daewoo.
Would fewer teams with more cars per team be more cost-effective?
Or each team having a junior team like Red Bull & Torro Rosso?
Or make all the chassis & car bodies standard. let smaller teams buy whole power trains from larger teams but let each team be responsible for it’s own front & rear wings?
If only Bernie visited this website…
GOD NOT THAT OLD ONE AGAIN ABOUT THE TOYOTA SLOWING DOWN ON THE LAST LAP. BOTH TOYOTAS DID THE SAME TIME. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!
REAL SHAME ABOUT HONDA. THEY WILL BE MISSED:o(
people outside the uk now can’t watch the video cilps any more WTF !! top gear we are fans as well top gear . Give us the right to see the video cilps as well i will not stop asking you top gear
Maybe Prodrive will take up the reins which would be good as they are seeking a way into f1 after the debacle of last year
Prodrive and Ross Brawn sounds like a winning combo to me
He’s not the golden child, he’s a true racer. Get Over it!!!! bias ferrari fan.
Honda spent all that money and they can’t even get on the podium. Time car makers think about using the money on cars that actually matter for consumers like you and me.
F1 is always been about the money, time to go back to true racing roots, time to go back to being a sport.
That is a major disapiontment by Honda. “Honda, the power of dreams”? More like the power disaster!
By the way things are going we will be seeing Ferrari, Mclaren and BMW racing around Bahrain all season. Both the teams and the tracks cannot afford F1 anymore. Its a shame, but F1 has to fundamentally change if we want a sport that is competitive and affordable and therefore accessible and entertaining.
Shove your medals and unreasonable requests up your behind Mr Ecclestone and stop pricing almost everyone out of the sport, we need personality in the cars, teams and the great tracks which are the very things being lost (my three favourite tracks: Montreal (priced out despite a heroic effort from the local authorities attempting to talk sense to you know who), Suzuka (Closed for an entire season to “amend it” for F1, and the Hockenheimring (pre 2002 of course, also changed for F1, now under threat AGAIN).
If another Tilke track is built in the middle east, I’ll stop the race by streaking on the circuit, you’ve been warned, sand will go everywhere but I’m willing to do it!
Oh, and I bet Jenson is regretting his previous “career choice”
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Essay over!
I really do not see the appeal of Jenson Button. Haven’t seen him do much lately as regards wins. He just seems to be just a bigged up kart racer. We’re seeing more and more new blood coming in with smaller budgets than Honda and they all appear to be doing better. Every time he would moan about something not working on his car. Towards the end of the season I was expecting him to blame the Air Conditioning or something. Its just the bad workman blaming his tools. He’s hopefully one of the last spoiled kids on the track, making way for some proper talent.
I think Dave Richards should step up and make Prodrive Aston Martin.
I too think Dave Richards and ProDrive would be straight in there to buy the team, they wanted to enter a team last year but couldn’t due to customer car regulations – seems like this is an excellent opportunity for them.
Pity were not allowed to watch your videos
Peugeot………… LMS………………
Im sad for the fact Honda has left but I dont think it would be right to sack thousands of production car employees and keep the F1 team.
I think the car manufactuers have a responsibilty to protect their ‘core’ business first.
I love motorsport with all my heart but i know that peoples jobs are more important.
It’s not surprising that Honda are off after the recent credit crunch and the behaviour of the banks. What is surprising is that Honda are the only team to date to announce their departure. I can’t see any one else stepping into the vacancy at this moment in time. We will probably end up with four teams of three cars next season. Looks like ITV got out just in time.
maybe bernie should give some money back to the manufacturers rather than keeping them for himself.
Absolutely gutted about Honda. They were one of my big hopes to spice up the 2009 season, especially taking into account how much effort they’ve already put into it.
I do agree that Prodrive would be the most fitting buyer. Lets not forget that it was David Richards running the team before they were bought out by Honda, I’m sure he already knows the vast majority of the team and staff.
Food for thought: It’s been a couple of seasons since Honda shunned sponsorship on their cars with the eco campaign. Could this be a consequence of the lack of sponsorship cash?
Its unfortunate but understandable. However what of all the talk last season about “next years car” that Honda were working on? Thats millions wasted in development of a car that probably will never see the light of day.
Bernie really needs to get his head oout of his rear and stop messing around with the rules of F1. The year on year changes are actually costing the teams more to develop cars for than they save on reduced costs in other areas. If the rules remained static for a long time, it wont be as expensive to develop and run a car as the previous years model would on need improving rather than a complete redesign every year.
Pity for Jens:( Everybody is talking about him being off the pace,complaining about everything on his car,but i think you forget that when a couple of years ago,when Honda had a good car,he was doing pretty well.
I’m not from Britain,and reckon you should think about all of your driver’s,not the ones who are winning now.Hamilton is not the only driver from Britain.There is another one,and he hasn’t been lucky enough to have a competitive car to show what he can do.
I saw the news last nite about Honda F1 Team, and I am gutted!
I hope that the team does get bought by some company and to give the NEW CAR by Ross Braun a chance to proof if its a MACHINE for Jenson and Rubens! And I would like to see Jenson get a tester role for a year then have a chance of getting any drive from any other team and perhaps help through the year working with the Beeb’s New F1 Team and just What a team that would be!!!
Jenson should go to BBC. Hahahahaahahaahahahaahaha ha.
I suppose Honda don’t want to turn out like Jaguar but why even bother entering F1???
I’m shocked at this news. Jense is my favourite driver, and I’ve always wanted him to do well. I’m so sorry that his dedication to one team has failed him.
3 months to sell. ……… It’s going to be tough…… Prodrive would be great, but they will be suffering the economic climate as well. I don’t see it happening.
It would have to be a company from the Far East, or maybe Russia. Lets hope that Rosbergs race round red square got a rich russian passion for petrol ignited. What happened to the bloke that bought TVR? Maybe he could be interested. Keep Brawn – Replace Fry…….
Fry in my eyes made the biggest mistake by getting rid of Willis a couple of years ago. And the way he handled the Super Aguri demise made me dislike him even more. I suppose you could say – what goes around comes around.. It’s just a shame that decent blokes like Jense and Rubens get caught up in it.
And as for Rubens…. Well… For a man that has his track record in the sport, to have it all possible end like this, is unfair and unffitting. Coulthard left with his head held high, and at the right time. Rubbens deserves the same respect.
Best of luck to everyone at Brackley. I have my fingers crossed for you all.
I almost see this situation as the beginning of the end for F1. It is far to costly nowadays, and Max and Bernie interfere to much. People just want to race. It’s almost as if Bernie and Max are no longer petrolheads. they need to get back to there roots.
With Honda gone, I expect Toyota next. Then if the standard engines comes in to play, we’ll find the likes of Alonso and Ferrari saying goodbye.
The future isn’t bright.
Maybe this is the right time for Jense to find a drive elsewhere. Before the others start looking aswell.
Not enitrely surprising, Honda are showing good responsibility in not wasting millions on F1 at this time. Though it is a shame to see them go.
According to Fry (CEO of the team) they’ve already had two very serious parties show interest, and Button has a race contract for next season so if they’re bought its obvious he’ll still be there. They’ll still use Brawn’s car for next season aswell so it will be interesting to see if the extra development time has payed off. In all I’m fairly confident that they’ll be bought and remain on the grid for next season, simply because of the personnel at the team.
Also worth mentioning the Barrichello still isn’t confirmed for next season, I’ve a feeling we’ll see Bruno Senna replacing him !
Really we need all the teams that where being talked about this time last year like An AMG team, Prodrive, and the ones like that and really I would love to see Maserati, Lambo, Porsche, Koenigsegg, and Zonda.
That Would be cool but really have handa just gone dumb sponsorship!!!!!!!!!!
Brave decision !
The day they introduced the engine freeze F1 started to die. F1 ain’t the pinnacle of the sport anymore.
The way the hybrid F1 cars will look next year can’t hardly be called advertising ..
Will miss the noise though, everyone who heard F1 live knows their engines were screaming! Loved it.
Good luck Honda! Come back when F1 is back to normal again, as an engine supplier (to Williams?).
Come on Alfa, buy Honda and get back in on the act!
Just a thought here, thats not strictly related but wtf….
To make F1 more cost effective, Diesels engines?
They are making an impact in L Mans as well as touring cars, so why not F1?
HAHAHAHA after years of him sounding like a broken record going on about next seasons car he aint got one anymore! if he’s honest, as good as a driver as he is, he never really delivered and is missing that tiny percent that makes a good driver a world class driver.
They could cut costs by refraining from changing the rules & regulations all the time?
I thought Honda were giving buyers until the end of January to make an offer and the ‘March’ statement was in relation to how long until their money ran out.
I think honda has made a good choice because F1 is so crazy whit these regulations that a think it is going to fall apart unless they split with FIA
Not particularly gutted for Jenson – it’s not as though he needs to sign on now is it?
Am gutted however for the people on normal wages – I hope they get something else soon – must be a worrying time.
Have to give respect though to Honda for realising quickly what needs to be done – I hope Fiat, Toyota, BMW and Renault will keep perspective when it comes to F1 commitment. I further hope that this kicks Bernie into releasing more F1 revenue directly to the teams (unless he’s saving for a biiiig divorce payout of course…)
Totally agree on beeeaattopp!
Will the team continue to function until a buyer is found? Or will there be no more testing? If not, all the hard work over the past year will be wasted even if a buyer is found.
its high time audi and porsche should drop in now they must join now. how many of you guys think that these 2 manufactures should drop in.
yes it’s shock news, but, this won’t be the end of that team as a group of great individuals, it just won’t be callled honda any more. I think Dave Richards should step up with the prodrive team, he has a proven track record in so many differnt forms of motorsport, and we already know that he has a real interest in running his own f1 team, infact he would already have been doing so if the deal with mclaren hadn’t fallen through.
HONDA FOR THE LOSS!!
Too bad for Honda. F1 really needs more teams…
However, i don’t think Toyota will have the same fate.
Don’t forget that toyota is the biggest car manufacturer at the moment, so it has all the money it needs…
I like your thinking Tejas! Especially as Audi has just pulled out of ALMS, and the only commitment they have is to Sebring and Le Mans, DTM, and the customer programme with the new R8 GT3 car.
Saying all that, they’ve pulled out of ALMS to save money, which F1 wouldn’t help them with!
true but how about an diesel v8 or v10 in formula 1
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comments plz taking both the manufactures into consideration.
If they put a diesel engine, they would have to change the name of the sport…
That wouldn’t be F1 anymore…
Just my opinion…
My preferred scenario:
-Prodrive buys Honda
-Brawn secures them Ferrari engines
-Prodrive-Ferrari is born
Let’s not forget, Honda have spent ages working on 09, KERS, new aero and the like so Prodrive would be acquiring a team with a package that SHOULD be competitive. And of course, it was David Richards who took the team to success from 2003 onwards, with 2004 being their best season to date when he was in charge. Was funny Honda ditched him for the oaf that is Nick Fry, I hope whoever buys Honda banishes him from F1.
Prodrive Ferrari FTW!
To be honest I hope Formula 1 crashes and burns as it’s a tiny shadow of it’s former glory. The reduction from V10s to V8s hugely affected overtaking as half the corners could just be taken flat out, and the stupid idea to add a 19,000rpm limit took all of the risk factor out of tuning the engine. Cosworth V8s could do 21,000 rpm giving the likes of Rosberg a huge power boost, but quite often the engine would explode in a ball of smoke and flames, so it was a risky tactic – thus unpredictability and excitement!
Having hybrid cars next year will probably be another huge folly, and the winners’ medal idea is a joke. And the problem being is Bernie can never admit to a mistake (i.e. 1-lap qualifying), so these ideas will be here to stay, no matter how terrible they turn out to be.
It seems ITV’s decision not to continue with F1 next year may be starting to look quite a good move…
I don’t think ITV had a choice.
My fear is nobody will buy the leftovers.
Timing is bad and so does the rulebook of F1.
The sport will not be appealing anymore to motorsport enthusiasts.
Reductions and medals might do in Olympics but not in F1.
Oh how I loved the days of Ferrari V12s, Honda V10s and Ford v8s..
+1 to Drunken Hobo
Maybe Bernie ’saved’ F1, but now it looks to many as though one man having such control over the formula is p***ing all that effort down the drain.
F1 needs good tracks, competative racing and the opportunity for designers to develop new and exciting technologies that can filter down to road cars.
Give each car a specific amount of fuel per race – reduce that fuel by a percentage each year to force more efficient engines, allow freedom of engine development to follow those efficiency gains, limit aero downforce to promote overtaking and stop killing off excellent venues (Silverstone?, Suzuka?, Montreal, Spa sometimes etc etc etc) for Valencias. Just because a circuit can pay Bernie a huge fee doesn’t mean it’s a good venue
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I think it’s all reasonable, and like some said, I’m sure Bernie’s mental instability is a huge factor. With one small decision, he can make millions of dollars in development vanish.
He built this empire, with good and wrong decisions, but he’s been highly successful. Now it seems he’s losing it.
Medals? Standard engines? What’s next, 2 litre engines form Kia?
This kind of stuff scares any investor.
I hate to see teams dissapear, specially the highly professional ones, but I can fully understand the decision. I really hope someone buys this team at a bargain price and make it work. The problem is that this buyer would inherit no sponsor.
Prodrive sounds good. Jordan? Hey Eddie, aren’t you boring latelly?
well i hope that Porsche buy Honda (they are doing well in the financial section) it will be nice to see Ferrari / Porsche battle, I bet for Porsche
I hope Button goes to a team where he can really compete in the front runners. Say Ferrari? or Toro Rossa?
i’m predicting f1 will be dead in 2 years, 3 at most. even as a lifelong fan, i’m not exactly sad to see it go. it’s boring, expensive as hell (i would have struggled to afford the race at montreal) and just plain ridiculous. f1 racing does not improve the breed – it only improves f1 cars. by the way, fenders have been cool for over 60 years.
honda won’t find a buyer, bringing the grid down to 18. str is on death’s door, so make that 16. that’s 8 teams, of which only 5 are in the business of making cars. well, 6 if you count those indian death traps. williams is in perpetual difficulty, so potentially we’re looking at 14 cars at the start of the 2009 season.
no longer are races held in mexico, the states, canada and france. there is confirmed trouble for races in the uk, germany, belgium, australia and even japan and china. malaysia/singapore, bahrain and abu dhabi get 4 races, north america zilch. in 2010, we’ll have south korea, india and maybe russia – what races will be lost for those?
screw you, FOM! let’s go to le mans!
Well seeing as Prodrive are not going to be in next season due to being too late and not being able to share technology with McLaren like they had planned to then perhaps they will simply buy Honda F1? Or perhaps a combined Aston Martin/Prodive team, or a return of Lotus F1 (though they probably don’t have enough money), or even Maserati could come back to F1? Any would be brilliant, I don’t want another German or French team.
I agree with F1Yankee a bit. Even the big GM fell. It might be good to let it get knocked down and just completely re-do it after this financial thing is over.
.: Maybe Lamborghini? They’ve been having quite a bit of profit now. Or ever Porsche.
Yes,its a shame to see Button go as we wil lose ANOTHER british driver this year. But if you ask me Honda probably quit because they can’t produce a good enough car, forget this stuff about money wories. Honda is one of the riches companies in the world. They can’t keep up with the competition, and I’d think more of them if they’d just admit that.
WTF!
Honestly I tought it was some kind of joke when I checked out this news at autosport! I couldn’t believe it!!
Guess this means Fernando did well not to accept Honda’s offers for a race seat for 09. In hindsight, I can’t imagine the pressure in Honda at the start of 08, when they were funding both their own F1 team, and Super Aguri.
I hope they manage to find a buyer for the team, I really want to see what Ross Brawn did for Honda while working with them for almost 1 year, and if they do get a buyer, imagine the face at the head honchos at Honda if their ex-f1 team do really well.
The Honda engine curse strikes again. First super Aguri, now Honda have now gone. Prodrive could be a suitable replacement, but i was thinking more in terms of NASCAR. I’m not a fan of it, but those guys pull in millions of dollars a year, what about chevrolet? What about teams from the WRC, citreon, Loeb and Button? I’d also love to see audi in the mix. Sadly, i doubt zonda or maserati will be in F1. A standard F1 season costs £50 million, thos guys (i think) don’t even turn over that much money in one year.
I’ve finally got it!!! Honda’s replacement should be…TOP GEAR F1 TEAM!!!! Richard, James and Jeremy see how hard can it be to run an F1 team!!!
“we are mostly concentraing on the 2008 car”, “we are mostly concentrating on the 2009 car”, “we are up for sale”, “we will be mostly concentrating on our 2014 car” !
Surely it’s better to can the F1 now, than hurt the core business more and more?
No… We cannot let this happen!
Quick, everyone, buy a Honda!
Sad to see Honda throw in the towel, but the Japs screwed up by takin charge of the technical side without knowin anythin abt it.
I’m not worried abt Button, I jus hope the 700 odd ppl in Brackley don’t lose their jobs.
PS: Screw the FIA and FOM , they’ve killed F1.
Then again, will F1 be paused like motorsport was in WWII?
I think something has to be done before there is only Force India left on the Grid…
This is not FIA/FOM’s fault, it’s the vurrent economical crisis we’re in. F1 Management can’t do all that much to prevent it, they are a passenger.
We can’t blame anyone.
I blame Nick Fry. mainly because he reminds me of the alien baby in alien resurection, but also cause I don’t like they way he delt with the demise of super aguri
They have just starting to look good. And I have read article where Rubens is saying that he will be next Brazilian to win the title and in 2009. Really too bad. First Super Aguri then Honda…
im tired of this. “screw you FOM and FIA and Bernie, your ruining F1 and i aint gonna watch it even though i will”. i think that F1 is not in decline, i think it will grow soon.
Then everyone will want to join and all of a sudden on the forums it will be “i love F1, its so great, i was amazed at that. we love you nazi max!!”
The thing that i am agreeing with though is F1Yankees point about race tracks. They are getting rid of iconic races such as USA and changing them with crap tracks in Asia, designed by the one and only crap track designer Hermann Tilke.
F1 have gone in search of popularity in other continents but are now losing it in the most important sections of the world, America and Europe. The founders really. Bernie ought to look at the calendar and change the rounds, limiting the number of races in each continent.
And as for the Porsche idea. They were once engine supplier to McLaren but i doubt they’ll break a team. I think that if anybody pull in, it will be a Far East team like Mazda or a team formed in DUBAI.
some say that other car teams may pull out but most like ferrari accurly gain in f1 and they have little cars that can lose them money
Mark said…
This is not FIA/FOM’s fault, it’s the vurrent economical crisis we’re in. F1 Management can’t do all that much to prevent it, they are a passenger.
We can’t blame anyone.
everyone else is still racing, and they don’t have to go to abu dhabi to do it. the fia and fom have created a situation where teams are expected to throw a ton of money into a hole, with nothing to show for it. add to that, bernie’s skimming of revenue to keep the banks that own f1 afloat.
they should have found a way to put a spending cap in place years ago. instead, they restrict resources and activities, which means teams have to spend money on something else. “2 races per engine” didn’t cut engine costs – teams still build the same number of engines, pick the best, and melt the rest. KERS cost each team about $50 million, and for what?
Damn…. I’m putting up my Honda motocross bike for sale on Monday.
This wouldn’t have happened if Soichiro Honda were still around…. Oyaji-san would have bankrupted the company but they would be winning everything before bankruptcy, at least.
I’m actually in favour of standardized engines now and no more manufacturers in F1 now…. similar to Indycar Racing (wonder if Honda will abandon them as well).
I was devastated when I heard the news. I’m still speechless. There are 3 potential buyers, though so fingers crossed!
Get rid of Kovalainen and get Jenson Button a chance to show his talent with Mc Laren. Lewis + Button, 2 brits go for the victory.
always wet tracks (sprinklers) & no penalities for contact.
BOOM! good racing
Top Gear Make An F1 Car
id like to see lotus come back into f1. cant blame honda for pulling out, f1 is going downhill fast the new rules and regs are stupid, f1 is being run by morons and unless your in a ferrari its almost impossible to win. Thank god for mclaren and hamilton
Shocked when i heard the news this morning. I thought that the new regs may allow Jenson and the team to get back where they belong.
Surely some mega-rich businessman from the middle-east can afford £200 million to run the team…
If not, then Jenson would be better off not joining a team with no potential like Torro Rosso and waiting for a seat at a team like BMW in 2010.
I think that Jenson Button should go to STR because it would be so boring doing the commentating. I WANT TO SEE EXCITEMENT FROM HIM, I NAMED A GUINEA PIG AFTER HIM FOR GOD SAKE!!!
MR T3, I support the idea. Then we bring in NASCAR drivers. Hey, a certain Montoya could be up for it.
With car sales falling massively all around the world, no motor manufacturer is going to risk buying an ailing F1 team. Although Dave Richards did get the funds from the middle east to buy Aston Martin. So maybe he can persuade them to spend some of the billions they’ve made from the high oil prices over the past 12 months and re-brand Honda, Aston Martin racing.
I don’t watch F1 really but Honda’s team has always been near the bottom
Well the golden age of F1 included Mclaren-Honda. A bit of history walking away from F1…*sigh*
Some peep’s from Dubai &/or that area will buy the team I’m sure… Shame for F1 though that a major company like Honda is having to pull out & I’m no new person to F1 (watched it since 1999) & I’m sure other teams & manufacturers will follow. I think Renualt will pull out soon, they said they would a few years ago when they wernt winning anymore, this could be a new ‘excuse’ for them.
Come on, lets have an Astom Martin F1 team, that’s something i’d definately support!
Fran Da man, Prodrive have said they won’t enter F1 with Aston Martin any time soon, and I’d guess Prodrive would be a large part of any AM team, so, erm, keep dreaming.
I see a snowball effect, 1 starts where others will follow, remember U.S. gp few years ago, 6 cars=2009 season
Aston, Prodrive= Dave Richards. If backing comes from the oil men it’s pocket change to them. So bring on Aston or Prodrive racing.
Fear for yourself, Stig, you may have a replacement!.
Hahhaa, let’s hope not.
Stiggy with a silly fluffy beard. NEVER..
hopefully his over rated arse will be sent packing Mark Webber as well while there at it just to show i’m not bias
Prodrive and/or Aston Martin need to get their checkbook out!
I’m sad to see Honda go, but hurry up and make a blog about the new “standardized engine” post on formula1.com! all i can say is “NOOOOOO!”
Sorry and thank you Honda
Difficult but right decision as FIA running bosses are underperforming
There are some really strange comments on here. Button didn’t join Honda, he joined BAR who became Honda. What on earth did Honda have to do with the last lap in Brazil, I seem to remember it was Toyota amidst the accusations. Hyundai and Daewoo in F1? Maybe if Bernie reduces the engines to 3 cylinder diesels.
I don’t think Button will settle for anything less than an F1 drive. Possibly DTM if only for 1 season while waiting for a promised seat in F1. Certainly not WRC!!!
Damn shame for Honda, every F1 team is a good bunch of great guys, who will now be unemployed and Honda was a slice of history in F1.
I feel a little less sorry for Jenson. No wondering he’s not been looked for by other teams. I thought he was pretty good, but last years he did even worse than Barrichello.
Aston Martin F1 Team Anyone?
homda never did well
I agree with Juza, Top Gear should buy Honda. I mean, running an F1 team, how hard can it be?
First off- Sad, sad news about Honda, but looking at the ‘downturn’ these greedy and technology-hold-back companies are getting their reward. Look at GM/Chrysler and so on.
Second off- What craig02 said…, about not being able to see the videos. The Beeb will not relent.
They know that if you reside in the UK it is more likely you pay for that overpriced TV licence, even if you are forking out up to or over £40 for SKY TV.
So, believing you are not paying for that licence, they won’t let you watch it.
But, I could be wrong.
To ‘The Stig.’ You need to take your gloves off when using a keyboard mate. It’s Honda, not Homda, lol.
Sorry to see Honda go, as for TG in F1,would love to see the Jezza,Bernie and Max meetings.!!!!!
Porsche would be good but I think they have more important things to be handling at the moment (takeover of VW), Prodrive would be better (track record in motorsport). Hyundai would be best. Think of the instant image turnaround Hyundai would have, their public image isn’t of particularly good cars, this would revolutionise their brand overnight. Plus I’d laugh and laugh at a Hyundai badged car running around at the pinnacle of motorsport. Get on it!
Porsche in F1? Anyone knows the rules for next yr?
The cars will look terrible. F1 ain´t good for the image of any carmaker now, not even Hyundai (btw Koreans do not care abt F1 at all).
Some people with lack of knowlegde also seem to have forgotten that Honda engines been unbeatable from 1986 upto 1991, after that they lost a bit of direction but don´t forget the BAR Honda´s of 04 and 06 were also the cars to beat !
The day the carmakers started to buy the teams (like Benetton, BAR, Sauber) was the beginning of the end, first they waste lots of money and than bord of directors brings it to an halt. Logical.
FIA changing rulebook every year does the rest, hybrid cars… can you imagine .. good old Enzo must be turning in his grave ..
Does anybody know anything about prodrive entering ,if yes when are they entering
Wait wot about volkswagen and their group like audi ,bentley and even a Bugati team now that would be cool yet unlikely.
Bad luck for Jenson but read in the papers this am that STR are keen to give him a test as the team boss Franz Tost is a big fan and with Honda saying they will let him be a free agent he may yet be on the grid in 09. Fingers crossed!!
Sod Jenson,
He leaves for Monaco, doesn’t pay UK tax, and doesn’t have to worry about how he is going to pay the mortgage. I cannot feel even slightly sad for a man that has pulled millions out of the UK economy and puts next to nothing back. I feel sorry for the 700 people at Brackley who now will have the Christmas from hell whilst Jenson pondours which wasteful expense to buy next. get your perspectives into the right frame of mind people.
if honda dont get bought (i hope they do) it would be great if button teamed up with hamilton at mclaren
i think what went wrong for Honda with F1 was the inability (i.e. the rules don’t allow it) to innovate with engines.
In reality Honda were using F1 to show their prowess for building engines. But since the engines have basically been “standardised” since the early 90’s, they really havent had the chance to show off. Sure, displacements and the number of cylinders has changed over the years, but all the teams have basically been building the same engine, making about the same amount of power. The 80’s were the glory days for Honda because they could really show what they could do, as in 1.5 liter turbo 4’s making 1200hp in qualifying trim. The days of that kind of engine “brilliance” are over.
It’s all because of the cost-cutting rules. All they are going to accomplish is to push the big teams out, leaving “budget” teams. If big names like Honda don’t see a financial incentive to participate, they leave. Which is the smart thing to do.
F1 needs to give the big names back the ability to really show off what they can do. A way of saying, “Our cars are better, here’s why: If we can make a 1.5 liter engine make 1200 horsepower, you can count on some quality engineering trickling it’s way down to cars you can buy!”
F1 is quickly becoming a spec series like Indycar. Soon enough, they’ll all be using the same chassis, same engine, and the only difference between a Ferrari or a McLaren will be the color of the car.
Now, is that something you’re willing to swallow for more passing, or lower costs?
I’m not…
He could be the new stig
Buy Honda, get Brawn free
Their going to be brought, its obvious.
Its sad but good I suppose because they only lined up the back of the grid anyway!
hiya i am charly and wa a coo looking car wow and yh i am a girl
sooooo how cool is tha car like lol i want 1
honda quit F1 because they cant really win any games or wateva and there racers arn’t that good at racing.. i dont think emm.. bye.
Two words….Proton/Lotus.
I’d never ask for anything again ever.
If Prodrive cant even pay off their refuse collection bills, How the hell are they going to buy out Honda F1?
bring back ped racing
I´m whith ‘craig02′ (comment 17.)
Why did you do that???
Please Top Gear!
Dave (comment 15) if you want to see racing with standard chassis/engines, go watch Indycar or A1GP! seriously, what would be the point of F1 if all the cars were the same?!
The cost cutting measures are the silliest thing to happen to F1. IT IS F1!!! you are supposed to be crazy rich if you want to play!
All these rules to help the “smaller” teams are killing the sport. If you don’t have the money to be in F1, then don’t be in F1!!!
i seriously wouldnt mind a 10 car field at all if the cost-cutting rules were gone, and we knew we were watching cars developed to their fullest potential, with no worries about cost.
And let’s be real, it’s would take a whole lot more to help the smaller teams get to the front than helping to even the money playing field.
Look at McLaren for goodness sake! in terms of money and worldwide presence, they are no Toyota or Honda, but look what they can do!
I understand rules that are aimed at keeping speeds in check for the sake of safety, but when it comes to cost-cutting rules, it completely boggles the mind. This is F1! it is supposed to be expensive. It’s like an exclusive country club saying, “Let’s limit the cost of golf clubs and tee times so more people can come play.” Ridiculous.
If you’re a team that would be helped by cost-cutting measures, you’re a back of the back team anyway, and money alone isnt going to make you faster.
o comon guys.. Honda is not selling for good, lol thats he last thing they’re going to do. the autosport article states that Honda is just trying to keep the team alive, and when the economy becomes stable again they might re-enter.
but hopefully they find mass ammounts of money from somewhere that can help keep the team alive for a year… Bruno Senna?
sorry, for the typo’s! i’m bound to make a few mistakes when i’m typing angrily!
(i.e. “back of the back” was supposed to read “back of the pack”)
btw.. Button is never going to be accepted at McLaren, because no team wants to have 2 drivers of the same nationality. also McLaren runs a 1-2 driver set up like Ferrari, HK only looks like he did bad this year, but thats because most of the opportunities went to hamilton lol.
and ya.. Max and Bernies greedy little hands ruined F1, i’d love to see a break away series.
Marcus i totaly agree with you, you are one of the only ppl talking sense were. F1 is supose to be the fore front of going foward as quickly of bloody possible. The reality is that if we were to leave the rules as they were eventualy the teams would realize that in order to win races u do sometimes have to pass thus they would devolp means of doing that. F1 should remain a testing ground for new technologs if the fia were to change rules they should in the furture (not yet) make rules concerning the enviroment. i know it sounds lame but for f1 to proform its duty as the testing ground of technology it has to happen. So please fia don’t do wat the american cup organises did and limit your sport too much. wat made f1 great was the freedom to expand the set boundries. p.s sorry about any typos
jennson oh no
how i love you!!
I think a VW team would be cool.
does any one hear like lewis hamilton ? No me neither, pity jenson cudnt have his drive in the maclaren.
That’s really sad for Jenson…He is now unemployed..
jenson and lewis should be team mates, at maclaren.
mean while
Marcus (128) If F1 followed your advice you would eventually see grids of about six cars. You have to keep other teams in the field or F1 will be boring as hell to watch. Besides, Honda and Toyota prove that money does not equal success. Think of the billion dollars spent by Honda and Toyota last season. Did they win a race? Nope. But STR did, and they are a farm team for F’s sake with hardly any cash.
renault should buy honda’s f1 team and make it dacia,renault own dacia,so they can do it,here is a list of drivers that could drive for them,button,rubens,bourda is,davidson and whoever the romanian formula 3 champion and romanian formula 1000 champion are.
i think it is a shame that honda
is pulling out because they have in the past few years bee getting better.
I Think that STR would be the right place for Jenson because he is a good driver but the car hasnt been performing.
general motors or ford volkswagen should buy honda’s f1 team
Well thats my type R order cancelled. F1 was good for honda bringing it to a younger buyer looks like they have will be reverting back to the old days.
A real shame
I was shocked when i heard this news, but on the other hand, this could open new doors up for Jenson. If Hekki Kovalinen doesn’t perform better this year than he did last year, (which i hope he does because he is still an awesome driver) then i would bet a fair bit of money on Ron Dennis taking on Jenson for 2010 with an all British Mclaren line up. It may sound a bit far out to some people, but think about it. If Honda aren’t bought, Jenson is out of contract and won’t have to stay with Honda just to please the employers. He has given Honda enough chances over the years and they simply have not come up with the goods. So with no need to hang around at Honda, Jenson can look elsewhere. Renault or Mclaren seem logical choices for 2010, but 2009 may just involve a long break i think.
It is a shame Mr. Button won’t have a ride next year as we know it. But I would like to see him get taken on by another race team, maybe a better car to come with it. Even a win or two?
I have every sympathy for all the people at Brackley who now face an uncertain future. I hope a buyer is found that keeps them employed. However I have no sympathy for Jense. He represents the whole team very well, costs too much and under delivers, he cant even beat his team mate so why anyone thinks it jsut the car and in the right car he would be a contender I dont agree. I suspect that is the view of the rest of the paddock given that its not as if there is a queue of teams wanting his services.
I suspect part of the issue is the fact that Honda couldnt attract co sponsors. All the other factory teams have a major non automotive sponsor. So not only are Honda sepnding vast sums they are paying for it all themselves. Of course that leads to the question of why. THe only 2 options are they didnt want to, a mistake IMHO, or no one wanted to be associated with them.
I’v heard that Citreon are interested, as their pulling out of the WRC.
They were considering DTM, but as an opportunity in F1 has arison they’d try to do that probably
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah…………I feel real sorry for Jensen, Whats he gonna do know, It must feel like the end of the world for him, Oh well he will just have to sit in his luxury home in Monaco playing his Playstation over the winter, Or maybe cruise around in his Yacht for a few weeks.
GET IN THE REAL WORLD MATE….HUNDREDS OF DECENT HARD WORKING PEOPLE’S CAREERS HAVE FINISHED AND SOME WILL LOSE THEIR HOMES.
IT MAKES ME SICK TO THINK ANYONE CAN BE WORRIED FOR JENSEN’S FUTURE, HE’S PROBABLY ONLY GOT A FEW MILLION LEFT IN THE BANK.
HE WONT BE QUEUEING AT THE JOB CENTRE ON MONDAY, ONLY TO BE TOLD “SORRY WE CANT HELP YOU. HE’S £60 A WEEK, NEXT”.
Doesn’t look like williams will stay long either, They should go and huddle up to BMW again.
Teams come, Teams go. It´s allways been that way.
Only concern now is that the grid might become to short. The organisers should make sure the artists stay instead of letting them go bankrupt.
Other concern is the lack of attractive venues.
You can race in China and Turkey for few years but this locals don´t care and only show up at the first few occasions.
F1 is (like soccer) an European/South American game with a bit of Australia, Canada and Japan in it.
The organisers should respect the legacy of the sport and protect venues like Silverstone and Paul Ricard and Montreal and Imola. One is also not playing Winbledon on another court if they are paying more to the organisers. Protect the heart and soul of the game!
The organisers also shouldn´t change the rules to often, of course F1 is not a ball game, but the viewers need to see cars which are cool, beautifull, recognizable, fast and furious. And that is my main concern, the cars will look ridiculous in 2009.
Maybe a new generation should take over, Berger for Ecclestone and Prost for Mosley?
what a shame that honda has puled out of the grad prix
honda are gay nd jenson buuuton
This is a real shame. They had the best team principal in the world, Ross Brawn, they were way ahead of everyone else in KERS, their car looked brilliant and they pull out. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE BUY THEM OUT?
They noticed the cars in last time testing in Barca and said let´s get the Hell out of this competition! Waste of money over silly looking hybrids! They will stay in MotoGP and Indy however…
Let them go bust. Get Cosworth to build Diesel F1 engines and gear box. Let the teams build the KERS, Chasis and Aero packages.
After all thats where the difference is going to be.
Lastly get rid of Bernie, Max and replace them with Richards. He did wonders for WRC!
Anyway, if somebody does buy Honda let it be Prodrive, Jordan and engine sponsered by Porsche.
Unlucky jenson hope you get a drive
Did my comment from this morning get deleted for putting a link to a BBC article on Paul Stoddart commenting on this issue?
I do wish people would stop thinking Bernie and Max work for the same organisation.
Max heads up the FIA (which controls F1, *WRC* and a gagillion other formulae. Max has almost single-handly pushed rich racing teams of all kinds into developing a myriad of safety features which have directly filtered down to all of our cars and have saved thousands of lives. Regardless of his private life, his achievements command respect and acknowledgement.
Bernie still controls – through a stack of dodgy companies – F1 rights and bookings. He milks the Forumla for an obscene amount of money and it’s high time he started to a) relinquish control and b) give more money to the teams or charge realistic fees to the tracks.
Please stop
^^ not sure where please stop came from? Dodgy TG websites…
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Sad that Honda will not be there next year.
Remeber the words from the founder “There is no Honda without racing”
cant find the page but to get this straight.
THERE WERE NEVER ANY WEAPONS AT GREENHAM COMMON-GO THE THE PUBLIC RECORDS OFFICE+SEE-THE WEAPS WERE UNDER RENDLESHAM FORREST-THE ONES AT GREENHAM WERE FAKES-ANY GOOD UFO SITE WILL BACK THIS UP!
people outside the uk now can’t watch the video cilps any more WTF !! top gear we are fans as well top gear . Give us the right to see the video cilps as well i will not stop asking you top gear
Jenson Button is the victim of his own undoing, like Barrichello and to a lesser extent Alonso. All three lack a certain maturity to flourish in F1.
Button was plainly stupid to leave McLaren, ditto Alonso – who couldn’t rise above his own bitterness and teammate.
I have little sympathy for all these drivers. And Button is a bit overrated in my opinion.
Croaker (139) don’t put words in my mouth. Get your facts straight.
I’m the one who’s been saying that money doesn’t equal success in formula 1. I’ve often cited Toyota as a team with all the money in the world (the biggest budget in F1) but no wins to show for it.
Read the posts a little slower before you post yours.
And if F1 did follow my advice, about the only team that would be affected is Force India. You’d still have Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Red Bull and Toro Rosso, Williams, Toyota, and Renault. So you’d have a 16 car field, not 6.
If seeing those teams fighting it out with no budget constraints would be boring for you, then I don’t know what to tell you.
And Toro Rosso is hardly a “farm team.” THEY HAVE RED BULL MONEY! Toro Rosso now has one of the biggest budgets in F1. They aren’t Minardi anymore. They have an Adrian Newey (ex-McLaren head of design) chassis and Ferrari engines. Yeah, that really sounds like a farm team…(please read the sarcasm in that last line)
Welsh F1 fan, post 158
well said, sir
no need to worry some body is going to buy them
why doesn’t topgear buy honda f1 and let the stig do the driving
Just noticed something: in America, “Ford Motor Company” is often shortened to “FoMoCo.” If we apply that logic to the Honda Motor Company, we’re left with “HoMoCo.”
Hmm.
Its the FIA that’s making it expensive for everyone. They blocked Aguri from competing in Bahrain. If you have a car, you have a driver, then compete!Now they’re blocking Montreal, Hockenheim, Magny Cours because they can’t give enough dowry to Ecclestone and Mosley. These 2 f*ggots should just f*ck each other!
FIA keeps on introducing stupid rule changes which costs fortunes and makes investments made useless.
Engine penalties, result cars hardly comes out of the pits in racewknd, only when really necessary. Nice for the visitors…
Engines rev limits, result, the noise is loosing attractiveness.
Engines freeze, result, hardly a challenge to stay in F1 for engine development.
New aero rules, result silly looking ugly cars and teams can write off hugh investments in wind tunnels.
They should have kept the V10s, these machines gave enough power for overtaking….(and great sound!)
I think the teams are about to snap, so many changes, its losing the idea of the pinnacle of motorsport.
If you think F1 should be standardised then you can go and f*ck off to A1GP or something.
hello i think honda should shut down right now because they have slow cars but r quite good
honda sucks
honda r slow and crap mwhy should they race in f1 they r crap
I think this is probably a good opportunity for Abu Dhabi to get a formidable presence in F1.
Mega millions are required and as it happens they have billions.
Also I think Max Moseley should stop with all the dictatorial nonsense. He is beginning to sound like his father.
It’s to bad for Button +the others at Honda,but I never knew they had an F1 team
i’ve supported Honda 4 a long time and awlays get mocked by my brother who is a Mclaren supporter I think its a massive shame if they do go but.. If they got JAGUAR or LOTUS back, he’d make a great driver,, shame his talant may go to waste.
Jenson Button really buy Honda jets?
All in favour of a breakaway series…?
WHAT happens to jenson and ross now?
Jenson and Ross both have plenty of money left in the bank to last a lifetime, it’s the employees at honda F1 people should be concerned about.
Maybe Hyundai might try to join f1?
Most F1 teams are there because they want to advertise their brand, I knew Honda would go down as soon as they got rid of sponsors and adopted ‘myearthdreams’ theme. I’m sure in the end, a rich billionaire from the middle east will own that team.
Seen the pics of this wk’s testing at Jerez?
Again only Williams and BMW in 2009 looks.
And one wonders what is wrong with F1???
Enjoy it, if they (FIA, FOTA, whatever) don’t change this in time, 2009 might well be the last edition F1.
I wonderif f1 understands this ‘credit crunch’ instead of developing new cars this year they should be able to use second hand cars from last year, the teams could either have a second hand car from last year which would be quicker and cheaper but may risk breaking or they could use a new car, more expensive but would endure more. and see how it pans out. thats what were all gonna have to do.
Also has anyone noticed that honda spent the minimal amou nt of money on development this season but still are pulling out? i reckon they’ve just used racing to develop their KERS system now their just gonna fit it to real cars and make an absolute mint.
shame for button though, we dont have any proper ‘english’ stereotype racers anymore. hamilton is too arrogantly cool and too blinking good to be english. english people crave disappointment as bill bailey observantly puts it.
also, ha ha. hyundai in F1 the first f1 car with ‘an unbelievable 7 year warranty’!
hopefully they’ll take the civic brand down as well. why stop at one disaster only?
then again, regarding F1… I actually enjoyed 2006 when Button was picking points and Sato was exploding engines. not really a contender they managed to enliven the predominantly lackluster Schumacher era.
The Civic brand is great, had one for 10yrs, never brook down! Cannot be said from my new German machine..
Honda made a smart decision, F1 for coming season has nothing to do with F1.
hurry up and make a new blog post people! i just saw the latest testing pics on formula1.com, which included the McLaren running the new aero (except the rear wing) and it looks pretty decent! Nice wide nose like McLarens of old and swoopy front wing elements…i hope the BMW photographers are taking plenty of shots of it!
There is hope yet for pretty F1 cars!
P.S. thanks for the kind words Gully! (132)
whoops, i had another look and the McLaren is still running sidepod winglets, etc., but the front half of the car is in 2009 spec…looks great!
Sad to see all the people with the possibility of losing their jobs, real pity, as for Button he is a waste of space and I hope that he is not in next years Championship. He should never have been F1, plain and simple, certain Mr Darren Manning who beat him in F3 in 1999 should have had that seat
Why are so many people worrying about Jenson’s future in this thread? Baffling…
He’s an underwhelming driver, by all accounts massively overpaid for years, an ex-little-rich boy backed up by Daddy’s money, serial underperformer (couldn’t beat ‘in-twilight-of-career’ Barrichello), had just one win to show for all his years in F1 (and that thanks to bad weather and Alonso having a brain-fade day) – AND YET loads of people here are comcerned about what he’s gonna do next, rather than worry about all the hundreds of behind-the-scenes Honda people who could end up out of work…
I sure wouldn’t buy an F1 team if Jenson came as part of the package…
Jenson was going nowhere with Honda, but the pay was nice.
Trying another formula would be good for him.
He could be huge in America.
Time for his ambition to return.
I sincerely hope Prodrive do step in, they know a thing or two about racing and setting up a car to win races. I can’t think of anyone other than VAG who could step into F1 with a chance of actually competing in the future (as a side note, how cool would VAG in F1 be? They’ve crushed Le Mans, perhaps it’s time for a new challenge? It’ll never happen, I know, but I still want it to). Without being unduly harsh the last thing the sport needs is another Force India on the grid, making up the numbers shouldn’t be an option at this level of racing.
It sad to think that economic factors outside F1 can have such a devastating affect on the teams within F1. Go figure, when it costs only $100million per year to run a team in F1. Unfortunately this revenue is bred from the sales of their motor vehicles amongst investors and partners. Honda has had a bad run this time around, but for some reason it seems that no matter what they do now, it won’t get any better until a cheaper model comes out as they have stepped out of the most popular class in our economy today – the small hatch class (i.e. Polo, Corsa, Ford Fiesta etc..) The consumers of today, on majority, are buying within this class, the minority is spending their money on anything similarly in value as their house!
Honda have a great F1 team, and anyone who buys into this family will buy into a formula of success and wisdom. Button is not the best driver there is or ever will be, but he is a strategic driver with a bit more experience than most. I myself am not a fan of just one team in the F1, both BMW and Renault have impressed me, Ferairi will always be the team to beat, and then there was Honda. Amongst the big boys, Merc, BMW, Jaguar, Ferairi then you get the smaller teams i.e Toyota, Honda and Renault
A round of applause for you and your crews.
this is Jacques signing off.
share my opinion? email me: jdorfling@lindsaysaker.co .za
One last thing to think about…
When there is a winner in F1, who do we remember?
The driver.
When there is a winner in Le Mans, who do we remember?
The car.
That is why Audi have not entered the F1 as the drivers recieve more credit than the teams or cars!
I often ponder why Opel (irrespective of General Motors current bankruptcy status) never got involved with F1, but then again they are doing well enough in the Super V8 series next to Audi and Merc.
Just a thought
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So the rumour-mill has ex-Honda drivers as contenders for Toro Rosso. Won’t happen – Toro Rosso is for new drivers – but if they want to keep their options open, and given the appointment of Sebastien Buemi to one seat, I think some name changes are in order: Sebastian Button and Sebastino Barrichello would stand a better chance…
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Next year button will hopefully be back in a f1 car but with a more compettive car.