Three teams for 2010?

After Lie-gate and Diffuser-gate comes We’re-not-racing-in-a-two-tier-F1-gate, as a number of teams have started ganging up on the FIA with big dirty threats of quitting the show next season.

It began with Ferrari’s warning (which locked them into that tussle with Max Mosley) and now Toyota and both the Red Bull teams are making noises about doing a bunk should the proposed two sets of regulations stay put.

Worse than that, squillionaire Red Bull boss Dietrich Mateschitz has also hinted that all of the manufacturer teams will follow suit.

It started kicking off when the big F1 budget cap rules were announced the other week – those who sign up for the capped fee will be afforded greater technical freedoms than those who don’t, effectively chopping the grid into two classes.

Bernie Ecclestone must be doing his Andy Warhol-like head in at the moment. There’s no way he wants to see an F1 grid with only a handful of teams lining up at the beginning of next season.

But this furore is playing into Mosley’s hands – he’s a master of subterfuge. I reckon he’ll step up and say, ‘alright lads, calm down. All you have to do is sign-up to this ‘ere budget cap, and we’ll give you all one set of technical regulations. See? Easy.’

They’ll set it at say £100m next year, then lower it by £10m a year until it reaches a more manageable £60m come 2014. An idea that initially might have been difficult to sell, but in light of the current dissatisfaction would now look like a kebab to a drunkard.

Max gets the budget cap he wants, Bernie keeps all the players in the game – plus some new ones – and the teams all get a level playing field to bat about on.

Everyone’s happy.

Even the fans?

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Thats a very interesting insight. However I don’t think a £100m budget cap would be sufficient for some of the new teams looking to join.

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F1 Should Let Brawn Gp To Win

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Yea, i agree, that shud sort it all out, and hopefully make nxt season a bit more even. Seems this years changes arnt working, 4 from 5 for Button, its fast becoming a rout!

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I completely disagree with budget caps. the whole point of f1 is to go as fast as possible as consistently as the laws of physics allow and then the technology drips down to us peasants. i feel as much money as wished should be spent as long as they can prove it will help us at some point.

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nope. This is F1, not Le Mans. There’s no point – it’s a world championships. Being champion in one tier doesn’t make you F1 world champion. It makes you champion of that tier. It just wouldn’t be the same.

Max is a tw*t and needs to go back to the S&M dungeon he crawled out of.

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I agree with #’s 4&5. If you’re in for the big dump, take a seat. If not: scram, peewee. There’s only one F1 championship. One set of rules, Max. It’s F1, not F to the Nth. I’m still watching, but next year? I don’t know.

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I agree with 4,5,6. The teams may well band together and make a new Formula, one with almost no rules…could this be the end of F1, and the start of something new?

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They’ve really gotta sort this out properly. I think a £50million cap would be sufficient for new temas, and may keep the current teams happy.
Looking at if from Ferrari’s point of view, if they were under a £30million cap they wouldn’t have been able to make all of the changes they did for Spain, and they’d still be around 2secs behind the rest of the field.
Seriously though, they gotta sort this mess out

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Cosworth also hinted a while ago that they had 8 new teams negotiating a deal for next year. Do the math – 7 teams lost, 8 teams gained. If that is the case then, sadly, I don’t think Max will see this as a threat. It all depends on whether he thinks that the importance of Ferrari, McLaren and that is all that great (which it is).

This is reminding me an awful lot about the CART split in the mid ’90s.

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One of the major selling points in F1 is its technology development. The sport is all about pushing the boundary’s of what is technically possible within the regulations.
This budget cap goes more than the Bank, it caps innovation which eventually trickles down to us joe public. This sort of thing in the long-run affects us all whether we like it or not.

In a world of governments telling what us to do, it is about time the bloody FIA to stop meddling in the worlds most sophisticated, glamorous sport. This season so far has been great but anymore poking around, people will leave.

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For me, F1 is suppost to be the pinacle of automotive engineering. The cars are equipt with state of the art technology and go faster than ever before.

Although i see the need for F1 to become more sustainable and dare i say, “Green” (Dont believe in GW but they do drink alot of oil!); I disagree with the 2-tier system and the ridiculously low £40m. I know that for new teams, prices have to drop so they can be competetive, but £40m…come on!

I strongly disagree with the split tier as F1 is suppost to be around the same rules and regs, which this system isnt!! But at least you get technical freedome with the budget, then we’d get to see how high they can rev (not the “leisurely” 18,000rpm of current!)

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And what about all of this faff about the British Grand Prix next year? I’ve came up with a solution: http://www.facebook.com/g roup.php?gid=80656185969

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For the love of GOD, stop changing the rules every year.
seriously -> STOP.

What about the “most wins wins” regulation that they snuck back into the rules for 2010. Is that being contested as well?

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nice idea!
what i find rather amusing is the name of the red bull boss…
Mateschitz
i don’t know how it’s supposed to be pronounced but it’s very funny the way i do it..:D

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are Aston Lola and USF1 actually gonna join next jear now then?

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don’t know what all the fuss is about, there has been a 2 or even 3 tier system for years!

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604Yarks, from what I have heard, most-wins-wins has been scrapped.

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this is rubbish to be honest. I mean the new season is amazing, why cant they just keep it as it is?

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and you have a good point jackie, i really want to see some new cosworth engines back in the grid as well :)

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One rule for all..
With the FIA thinking cap on, how is this for an idea- the number of laps of a race per team depends on their budget, as a percentage of the budget of the richest team, eg. Brawn does half the laps of Ferrari to win a race…The scary thing about this irony, is that this idea may seem phisable in the minds of the FIA fools….

how can there be winners in 2-tier F1 it would end up as ‘best in catagory’…rubbish

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Someone please get Moseley a clue.
F1 is not about who can do the best job on a tight budget.
The sport has grown to massive heights through its ridiculously overpaid drivers, motor homes the size of Scotland and the most expensive cars in the world flying around at 190 mph.
I am aware that some teams may fall due to the recession but you cant just punish the teams with all the money because of that. Get rid of the KERS nonsense for 2010: thats an instant saving already.

I like the idea of having new teams on the grid for 2010, but not in place of Ferrari and the likes. We grew up to the heritage of Ferrari, they have such a massive fan base, to lose them would significantly reduce the number of viewers. Apparently, no one appears to have told Moseley how big Ferrari is to F1. Yes Formula 1 would survive without them, but it would no longer be F1. And I say this as an unbiased Vettel and Red Bull fan.

And is it me or is quali turned into a joke?

Whats all this telling us the car weights and having a car adjusted pole sitter. What ever happened to quickest guy is on pole. I liked the old 12 laps, 1 hour, get to it. No saving tyres and strategic fuel loads.
To me, its stupid having Q3 slower than Q2 and Q1. The guys that make it into Q3 should be having a no fuel, new tyres battle to the end. 10 mins, quickest on pole. We never know who the quickest driver is any more. There’s always ifs, buts and maybes. Anybody here agree with me??

Sorry if this turned into a rant. I got on a bit of a roll.

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I think we might be on a brink of brakeaway series.
FOTA is muscling with FIA + Bernie and everyone wants to have it their own way.
In a way it seems to be long, strategic war game.
Power is shifting in F1 and no one knows if it is going to be evolution or revolution.
Small teams are sitting quiet. They probably depend on Bernies handouts and seem not to have guns to fight.
Big teams are tired of giving way to Maxes increasing creativity,and superior intelect reflected in this big mess. He is staying one step ahead of FOTA (for now). But I think he is well aware that there is short way to greate F1 equal to GP2 (about 5 seconds a lap :)
And to keep F1 as this well worn ‘pinacle of motorsport’ he needs Ferrari as well as Lola (or whoever). Simply by puting such a outrageus and strring regulations on the table, he opens door for milder version to be accepted by teams without any strugle.

So angry F1 fans. Fear not. By the end of this season you will forget two-tier and all exit threats. Next season you will get F1 still standing as aproud knight. Just in a bit cheaper armour.

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Is it just me or should F1 be the pinnacle of motor sport and with that. no caps, less constraints – how fast can you go round a circuit. If teams are moaning about cost f8$k off to indie cart and race in circles

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Personally i understand that a budget cap could be used purely to make F1 fairer to small teams but every one knows how it ends up as soon a there is a wedge in the door at 100mill in ten years its down to 15 were watching cars going round tracks slower then they are now and it will not help us normal people through drip down technology in our ford focus’s. sport is not meant to accept the current climate its suppose to beat it with a 2×4. WE WANT ONLY THE BEST AND THAT MEANS LOTS OF MONEY. (anyway i thought the whole point of changing the rules was to help the tots and crumble giants look at BMW and Williams completely change positions)

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Max + Bernie have ruined F1. Hope they are proud of themselves.

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