How important is it that Ferrari stay in Formula 1? You’ll have seen in the papers that the Scuderia are talking a lot about leaving if the FIA’s proposed rules don’t change for 2010.
To keep pushing the point (‘No really, we’re leaving! We keep talking about it so it must be true…’) Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo today said that they’ve had lots of comments of support via their website.
He stated that if Ferrari were forced to leave F1, they’d go and race in other competitions.
“Racing is part of Ferrari’s DNA and this is something that will never change,” he said, likely thumping a Prancing Horse-embossed desk with an expensively manicured hand.
For my part, I still don’t believe they will leave, or are even seriously considering it.
They’re just making the point that the FIA needs them in F1, along with Renault and most of the other teams who have kicked up a fuss about the 2010 two-tier rules.
Apart from McLaren, who are staying strangely quiet.
There’s an interesting piece on Pitpass, where they wonder aloud if the FIA have something over Martin Whitmarsh’s team that’s keeping McLaren schtum on this.
The team were, after all, let off rather lightly over the lie-gate PR disaster.
Back to Ferrari, though: hypothetically, if they do leave F1, which race series would you want them to go to?
Le Mans is an obvious one as they’ve done it before, but what else? GP2? Touring cars? NASCAR?
Kimi would seem well suited to the latter at least, where he could eat as much ice cream as he wanted.
But as long as they keeping making ace roadcars, we’ll be happy.
Won’t we?
i think they should enter all lemans, nascar, gp2 at the same time, i mean budget for one F1 season would cover budgets for all named abowe…
and it would mean more stuff becoming interesting…
I don’t think Fezza will even get as far as they did in the ’80’s when they built an Indycar. Although Ferrari to Le Mans for a year or two would be good (for Le Mans, not F1 obviously.)
But with Max, Bernie and FOTA meeting on Friday, they’ll sort something out.
I’m assuming Mclaren are staying quiet as they really do have nothing without F1. Oh, and they keep getting in trouble!
Good suggestion about Kimi in NASCAR, not just for the ice cream, but he’d be really good at it!
they have to stay, f1 isn’t f1 without Ferrari, they should reduce the cost over time rather than doing it all in one big hit. that way its more manageable and set it to reach the proposed target by a certain year, however by then the recession will be over and teams will want to spend big again. A 2 tier championship would be a farce in my opinion so all the teams and cars need to be on the same regulations.
I agree with what Danny said. I am fed up of the scrabbling around trying to find ’solutions’ to ‘fix’ F1. It’s great that they got rid of driver aids finally. I think KERS is a rubbish idea if they are trying to create a level(ish) playing field.
Whatever happens, Ferrari can’t leave.
I think Mclaren were quietly told to keep quiet on next year’s rules or their punishment would be a lot harsher. Max and Bernie are dictators who listen to no one and they will not get their way this time because FOTA seem to be quite serious about leaving. If the current lot of Renault Toyota and Ferrari do leave we will have USGP, perhaps Lola, Prodrive and Mercedes powered Force India and Mclaren. Maybe that’s why Mclaren are keeping so quiet, Lewis will win every race and Heikki might even finish one! Adrian Sutil will be on pole more than he is in last place now! It really will be a farce and it’s such a shame because the racing and coverage is so good this year.
If i cant play by my rules i taking my ball home, Well take , No one team, car, person is bigger than the whole, Let them go i’m sure Ashton , Lotus, and others would like to play and with the cap system it will be better all round car and driver not how much cash you can pump into a team to make it win , just my 2p worth
if Ferrari left F1 i don’t think the competition would be the same. who’s the team everyone wants to beat, who’s the team pushing technology in big ways, who’s the team who, me included, everyone loves, what is F1 without Ferrari?
i do think i will follow them, not Formula One. the fans will leave and the sport will fold without them. apart from that, well done FIA/bernie ecclestone/who ever else is for the small budget cap. 2011 season, they will all be racing Hyundai i30’s re-badged as Ferrari, BMW.. ect. with absolutely no modifications. or they can have a G-wiz maybe
actually, on a better note, anyone for a Group B-esque Formula One?
I’ll probably get shouted down for this but I think you’ve got it the wrong way round Jamie. I think Ferrari are serious about leaving. I agree with you in that they know the Ferrari name draws more money and interest into F1 than any other, and they also know the standing of F1 as the premier open wheeled championship would be under threat if not destroyed if they and others left. I don’t necessarily agree with using threats as a tactic but something needs to be done to make the FIA realise they can’t control the teams in this way. A compromise will be found and I believe Ferrari will be on the grid next year.
Never liked Ferrari, couldn’t care less. Sorry, but that’s how I see it. So long as McLaren stays in it, i’m happy.
Bernie has contracts with TV and tracks. I would be hell lot of effort to create brakeway series.
Maybe they will leave together with redbull and others, but somehow I can’t see that.
Bit of overblown bullsh…
McLaren are quiet but Norbert Haug (hope spelled it right) from mercedes does the talking. In the end they could leave too. Martin must have been told to keep it quiet or stewards will find some ways to punish them during season.
What if they leave? If the budget cap will be set at 30m euros and IF ferrari leaves f1, I really hope that Alfa Romeo could enter the f1 championship once again.
F1 is about drivers, not about big car companies… so… who wants to leave.. bye bye.
PS. You guys should enter F1 with 3 cylinder Hyundai Accident and the Stig, so when you win, you’ll prove my point
So what if Ferrari leaves F1? They have been using a system of ‘out-spend’ over ‘out-innovate’ for years. I think they have their collective ‘panties in a wad’ over Brawn’s success. Ferrari may be using Max and Bernie’s new rules (intended to be a deterrent to the “out-spend them” philosophy and increase competition) as an excuse. Where would Ferrari go? NASCAR is the wrong demographic for them. ALMS or its Euro version? They’ve already had success in GT2, and I don’t see Ferrari getting into either LMP category or vying for a GT1 car. Ferrari should stay put in F1 and put out better cars (a line I thought I’d never say).
I understand Ferrari is F1 to alot of people [not me] but before the Shumacher revival they were mostly just there for entertainment and drama.
Plus it seems alot of people have forgotten unless you have a diesel car YOU WILL NOT WIN LE MANS. I dont see Ferrari making an oil burner anytime soon.
le mans would be good but i reckon they’d step up their GT operations
I’d quite like to see the teams leave F1 and start up an unlimited sports car championship instead.
If everybody’s really honest the FIA started to screw F1 up years ago! Shame really cos politics have no part in racing. Yes i know there’s millions of pounds spent but freeze it as it is for a couple more years and do the fighting on the track and in the cars cos at the end of the day thats all the paying public want! Oh one more thing God was a Ferrari fan too!
what about a ferrari wrc car? can you imagine a 430 barriling down a dirt track in a welsh forrest?
hell with the s2000 formula for next year ferrari could homaglate a 2l 270bhp road car for the masses!!!
Ferrari enterimg Le Mans? Highly doubtful. for as start the most modern LMP1 cars – like the Audi R15 TDI – are diesel, so to compete, Ferrari would have to enter in a diesel, unlikely. Never in Ferrari’s history have they made a diesel so they probably won’t race one.
There isn’t really much choice apart from GT1’s. Maybe they should make their new F430 replacement a GT1 racer first and if they win, it’ll be an enourmous success. You reading this Ferrari? Doubtful, but if you are, take it seriously.
f1 with out ferrari would be like i life without cars!!!!!!!!!!!1
Forget the ’s’ on ‘as’ on the first line, then it makes sense. ;D
Ferrari=F1, Ferrari wouldn’t exist without F1, so why change it now? If they’re complaining about being behind the ‘budget cap cars’ I have a suggestion to them: ‘Be one of those ‘budget cap cars’
Would this be similar to if Man Utd decided to leave the Premiership and go play in Europe? Of course theirs fans would follow them wherever they went, but the Premiership would survive. New teams would become the ‘love-to-hate’ team, new teams would enter in their place and in a few years, people will have forgotten about why there was such a fuss.
I reckon that if Ferrari leave, companies like Porsche and Audi should step up and enter the fray.
People expect F1 to be at the pinnacle of racing. Introducing a budget cap may help smaller teams, but in my opinion, if you can’t stand the heat…
I second Showie’s comment on a ‘Group B’ F1. It wouldn’t be a two tier event, it would just be a ‘build a car that will get round this track as quick as physically possible’. That means ludicrous machines that may/may not look like the car next to them. That would truly push companies to innovate, and you don’t necessarily need to spend huge to achieve that.
I would be a shame to lose Ferrari, but I think F1 is in a strong enough position to stand by itself.
/end rant
I think Ferrari leaving would be a disaster and I’m a McMerc guy! Maybe they’re grumpy cos this season’ been a bit pants but I hope it gets settled and everybody stays and some new teams join for good measure…
Like Ferrari say though it’s not up to Mosley how they spend their money. Very good point!
im not a huge ferrari fan but i do have respect for them. and if ferrari did leave i bet thousands upon thousands of fans will also leave.. taking their millions of dollars else ware.
and i think McLaren is just keeping quiet because if they say anything, Mosely or Bernie will comment back with a arsehole comment saying something along the lines of, ” Mclaren better watch their mouths closely because have been very close to being BANNED from the series many times before in the past for their cheating ways” and then follow it up with some thing like “their lucky were letting them still race”. completely demolishing McLarens image..
I have quoted from the BBC’s F1 website the reason why I think Ferrari are serious about leaving. They _have_ in fact thought this through and are not just posturing. Elsewhere I have read I think Toyota’s John Howett quoted as saying it would be better to make negating going over a budget cap a better way of enforcing it than what the FIA have done.
Regardless, Max and the FIA have tried in a very hamfisted way to force the issue of cutting costs and it’s coming back to bite them in the behind. Because it’s not just Ferrari, there is just the general sense that the teams and their efforts towards the same goal have been ignored, and they have to recognise that or they will end up loosing more than just the most recognisable name in F1. I think what the FIA are doing is called cutting your nose to spite your face.
I’m in favor of Ferrari going rallying. It would give rallying a leg-up after having taken some heavy losses itself and Kimi is already practicing to see what it’s like.
quote from here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/spo rt1/hi/motorsport/formula _one/8049316.stm
Piero Ferrari:
“But you can reduce the expenditure without having a budget cap. And it’s not enforceable, anyway.
“It’s difficult enough to enforce the technical rules, as was proved recently by the business of the diffuser. So how can you enforce or control a budget cap?
“A better way is by controlling the expenses on the technical side.
“We are doing it on engines and it will be done next year on the gearbox. We can even introduce limits on material costs – carbon fibre, maybe.
“I have good friends racing in Nascar in the United States. They control the costs – the number of mechanics, for instance – and the teams are racing with the same rules for everybody. We could do something like that.”
Ferrari believe Mosley has ignored the correct procedure of consultation that is required for changing the F1 rules – as well as those dictating technical stability.
There is also the possibility that he has broken an agreement defining Ferrari’s rights signed in 2005.
It wouldn’t be quite the same. I mean, apart from us guys who get really into F1 and know loads about it, ask anyone which team springs to mind when they think of F1, and the answer’s usually Ferrari. The same used to be true if you asked someone to name an F1 driver (Michael Schumacer. Next question).
It would be nice of them to race an all-new P5 or something in the 2010 24 Heures Du Mans, however. But, apart from GT racing, which they already do with F430s, I can’t really see Ferrari doing much else other than endurance and F1.
I especially don’t see them in NASCAR of all things, mostly because the bodies are standard issue, and they’re based on a saloon shape. It just doesn’t fit them at all. Plus there’d be an American uprising.
What about entering a California in that Trans Am series thing? It’s aimed at Americans, after all.
Actually, they could stop drowning their road cars in “F1 technology” if they quit and put a few Italian Road Test Cliches in their cars instead. Their exterior designs in particular need more ‘passion’ and ’soul’.
But really, they’re not going to leave the sport they’re best known for, especially as they’ve been in it from the very beginning. They probably just think that this year’s car needs LOTS of money going into it and are annoyed that they wouldn’t be able to have technical freedom plus an unlimited budget.
I don’t see it happening.
They can go to GT racing, the 550 Maranello was succesfull in that series. Le Mans is obvious.
F1 without Ferrari will loose a lot, but won’t disappear, same goes for Ferrari without F1.
Who cares if Ferrari leaves F1?
Brawn are the new Ferrari now
to answer the question yes. I’ll be happy if they keep making great road cars – not that I can afford one or it would be my first purchase if I could. But I don’t particularly want to live in a world where Ferrari doesn’t exist. Whatever about F1 the WORLD needs Ferrari right about now.
And for Ferrari to exist F1 needs to exist, will the name F1 continue if Ferrari isn’t part of it? yes of course it will.
Ultimately F1 is not only the pinnacle of motor sport, it’s also the most accessible of motorsport and for that reason it must be fanciful, glamorous, sexy, cool.
It’s a pity that as the coverage and racing is now so good this year that we are subject to this childish boardroom crapola
Let them leave if they want to. They are still developing new stuff on both the FXX programme and now the 599XX programme for their road cars so dont really need F1 for this purpose. Also they have racing pedigree in other series like the GT championships all over the world.
Ferrari are always there to take the compliments when things are going their way but say anything else they get angry. If something goes wrong for them they always manage to bend the rules and convince Ferrari Intenational Assistance (FIA) to let them off the hook.
Fair enough they have been in F1 since its debut in 1951 but come on! Theres more than one team in F1 so if we lose this one it wont matter too much. Look on the bright side we could get rid of Mr Charisma (Kimi Raikonen) at long last!
Plus at the moment their performance is soo bad they are doing damage to their brand so would be better to quit!
*rant over*
If the budget is capped at 30M, and each team has to stick to that budget, then It would bring forward those teams that are making the most effort into the design.
If Ferrari etc find that they cannot compete within these rules, then you must surmise that they are putting little effort into the design and then just throwing money at the car during the season.
I for one, am in favour of the capping for this reason.
Ferrari are making the complaint about the “two tier” system, but with their resources st one end of the grid, and Force India at the other, then the current grid has at least two tiers anyway.
A capped budget would attract other interested teams to the sport, who at the moment could not afford to compete in F1.
It puzzles me as to why Toyota are complaining about the cuts, as they were in two minds as to carry on in F1 when the credit crunch struck.
Who knows, Honda may have stayed in the sport if they didnt have to throw so much cash for little sucess (although, as it turns out, it wasnt a bad thing that they went).
Also I may point out, Ferrari are not the oldest team on the grid, that title would probably go to Renault.
What about the money that the FIA gives to Ferrari that we all have heard about? would that be spread amongst the other teams, that would be a good day for the sport.
Considering that Enzo only made road cars to support his beloved racing team, I would imagine he will be spinning in his grave if they pull out.
Let ferrari go, they cant wear the trousers for ever, the world has never liked bullies anyway.
flusker I suggest you check again, ENZO himself almost pulled Ferrari out of F1 back in his days. He would spin in his grave if Ferrari as he built it bowed down to such idiotic regulations. Most of the people commenting (99.9%) have not even bothered to read the 2010 regulations and all they point to is the budget cap. Telling people how much to spend is not cost cutting, it is sport killing in all the senses but that is just the tip of the ice berg of what Max has imposed. Imagine any sport which has worldwide following being capped to a ridiculous sum. You have soccer players that get 40 million a year and more, you have basketball player, baseball players, golf players, you name it! How can anyone expect such a sum to be enough for “THE PINNACLE OF MOTOR SPORT”? Not even a MotoGP outsider team spends that little and all they do is modify factory supplied bikes for heaven’s sake.
I suggest people check the rules out, here’s a link:
http://argent.fia.com/web /fia-public.nsf/755774E2 1C7A8B1DC12575B000326F7C/ $FILE/1-2010%20F1%20SPORT ING%20REGULATIONS%2006-05 -2009.pdf
It is full of crap like:
APPENDIX 8
COST CAP REGULATIONS
1.5 The WMSC may at any time make such additions or alterations to these Regulations as, in its absolute discretion, it considers necessary in order to ensure the achievement of the overriding objective.
What they are saying is that if they want to have a go at you they just change rules to their pleasure to make life difficult and have everyone bend at their will with no one having a say. Would anyone sign such a contract? I don’t think so, unless Max is holding an ace up his sleeve against those teams still silent no sane team will agree to this. That is just one tiny part of an ocean of “dictator like” rules he set without even consulting the teams that fork out the money to make F1 possible, enjoyable for us spectators and followers. Is that okay I ask?
It’s not just Ferrari here, it is all the teams! Does anyone think that McLaren would be anywhere with 40M pounds a year when they spend in excess of 400M pounds yearly?! Yes McLaren spend more than Ferrari itself! Think again.
F1 cars are from another world, so id love to see more Ferrari Road car action.
And i even dare to say “Rallying”. Just imagine the Enzo Rally version…
I say ferrari should stick with f1, however there is always le mans. ferrari is the 2nd most successfull constructor at le mans and their last win was 1965 so why not?!
i think they should go back to LeMans 24 Hours, i’ve always hated Ferrari F1 team never have, never will and will be more than happy to see them leave. But i hope to see them in LeMans, then there will be more variety and AUDI WILL STOP WINNING LEMANS FOR ONCE !!! Jenson Button 2 win F1 Championship
I think they should start a new F1 with all of the other teams and tell Bernie and Max to go and keep having Nazi orgies.
If Ferrari leaves F1, then it’s not F1 anymore.
Ferrari should just leave and show the F1 organisers that all they’re doing right now is making this a circus.
They are dealing with a bunch who overrides contractual agreements(til 2012).
And ultimately, F1 will never be the same again with the budget caps and crap.
Next you will see single fuel races and what not crap that makes this just maybe vaguely better than the next lower tier.
And then what’s the point of spending 40million(not including salaries and marketing) for a product that is only marginally better than the lower substitute?
Bernie and Max have lost their marbles on the clamouring governments around the world have displayed for the previous faster hardcore product.
Elite brand names in fashion will no longer be elite once you have price cuts.
Prada at 70% off? Price ceiling because consumers can’t afford?
nascar? oh dear god.
thats the worst motorsport in the world
Why do the FIA have to keep messing up the system?
F1 without Ferrari would be an absolute tragedy and thats for all motorsport fans not just us tifosi
as much as i despised ferraris dominance with the maker of shoes at the wheel and jean todt being very short and fat in the back ground, it would be a disaster for ferrari to leave.kimi is a legend and ferrari epitemise everything that f1 stands for.you cant love or hate another team like you can with ferrari,and whats the point of sport without passion.
i can think of very few people whom i have less respect for than max mosley.his iron fisted approach to enforcing random unreasonable ideas just makes him look like more of a penis and drives away potential new fans.
if ferrari joins nscar god forbid i will give up all love for ferrari and turn that into a grudge until they get outa it because nascar is for fat men who eat fast food and say yall alot. Ferrari do NOT get into nascar even though u’d kick ass do not. But i doubt they’ll leave, ferrari is f1 so the rules will change
god. ferrari is my favorite brand in the world, i want to be involved with everything they do, but really? quitting f1? creating a theme park? really? they make me sad. i would love to see them join le mans, love to see them join touring, although that could be pretty costly, seeing hundreds of thousands of dollars get smashed up. but they can’t leave f1. bernie and max have to.
I think it would be a disaster for Ferrari to leave. Not only will the sport lose a bit of glamour and history, but only a lot of fans and enthusiasts which would make the sport less profitable and less interesting for investors and sponsors. Ferrari has a lot of fans worldwide who won’t show up if the red cars aren’t driving. Ecclestone realises this, Max Mosley is to stubborn and proud to admit it.
I used to be a huge Ferrari fan but as I got older this diminished a bit and now I don’t really cares who wins as long as the race is interesting. Even though, the team will always have something special.
As for other motorsports, obviously Le Mans is a good choice. Rally, Le Mans and Indycar would be awful, as with no experience they will be that sports Force India. They will lose face and devalue the brand which they have been working on so hard with all the merchanise and themeparks.
The current F1 teams, perhaps with the addition of one or two more, should really consider starting a breakaway series (GP1?) and do without the FIA. Everyone can get the V10 engines from the attic, rev ‘m up to 20.000rpm and continue being the base for a lot of road used features like they always have. Everyone will be able to freely experiment with aerodynamic features so that all the cars won’t be the same. Just imagine it, a modern F1 field, with modern specs, and the diversity of an early 80’s race.
As for other motorsports, obviously Le Mans is a good choice. Rally, NASCAR and Indycar would be awful…
Sorry
F1 is Ferrari there’s no escaping that…if they were to leave it would be devastating for the sport. But Ferrari is also F1… the two are so instrincly linked that there’s no way the big boys at Fez would be stupid enough to cut their ties with the sport as their brand is built on their history within F1… even returning to GT racing wouldn’t rectify that in my opinion
i think that the f1 would be nothing without ferrari or renault, that means that either the FIA will do as they say, or the f1 will be over, o and ferrari has somhow covered because they are the official suppliers for the a1gp championship
and the will find a way to win without a diesel engine in le mans
Well obviously McLaren will pull out if Ferrari do, who would they steal their plans from then?
Ferrari is just mad that it has a pathetic showing this 2009 season.
Less Italian Ferrari and more Mazda Furai.
Also Indycar is the one of the best motorsports going under the radar. And…and it clocks the fastest motorsports speeds when they do those oval tracks. Top end speeds of Indycars is just insane.
Le Mans would certainly be their best bet. as its an event that they have won eleven times. Also to put behind what happened in the sixties with Ford would certainly help.
How good would Ferrari be without the preferential bonuses they receive from the F1 organisers?
Without the cost of Ferrari, F1 could be cheaper for the fans to get into see; there would be significantly more prize money to go around.
Ferrari has been treated as a special case financially for far too long, and it is to the detriment to all the other teams in F1. In fact we already have a 2 tier system, there is the money that F1 pays Ferrari and then there is the money the other teams get.
F1 has got to expensive for new teams to join, so it is a dwindling sport. So it is not a case of F1 without Ferrari, it’s a case of is there still to be an F1 motor series.
We have been there before when the formula 3 cars lined up on the grid at the same time just to make the numbers up.
LOLA will enter F1 in 2010.
http://www.pitpass.com/fe s_php/pitpass_news_item.p hp?fes_art_id=37906
@54 on which planet that is? Less fans = Higher ticket prices to cover costs. Oh, and less tracks too as who will bother forking out millions and getting nothing in return to host races? Silverstone, Canada already gone with things as they are now other classic tracks would follow as it would be much worse.
Cheaper? I don’t think so! The only extra money there will be will end u in Bernie’s pockets. Just look at Brawn for an example, he won’t give them the money they earned last year under Honda for a silly excuse like “Brawn is not a name suited for motor racing like Honda”
Ferrari should leave the F1 and enter the Rally…they just need new suspension (which a bit higher)..lol
ferrari in le mans for me. an lmp1 in rosso corsa with the prancing horse in a yellow shield on the flanks,yes thank you extremely much,and anyway, somebody needs to end audi’s reign,it is getting on my nerves!,bye bye mardy ferrari f1 team,button to win the championship,brawn gp constructors:)
who cars about f1 period at the mo…f1 would do well to look at moto gp and world superbikes to get a good idea on how to make their sport interesting to the general public…..and how have they done this? well….they have a mandatory engine capacity cap and apart from that the secret is….JUST ALLOW TEAMS TO DEVELOP HOW THE SEE FIT…DROP ALL THE COMPUTER NONSENSE, and lets see if drivers can really handle the raw unbridled power of a fast engine as they do on the biking scene, because then, it becomes all about the driver not the car…much more exciting!!
p.s…
if i want to see “computer aided cars” go round a track 50 times in an organised line like a train…i’ll plug in my xbox…
If the aero rules remain the same they should stop.
This yrs clown car is bad for their image and heritage. F1 Ferrari’s most of time were the best to c, always looked forward to the reveal of the new machines in January at Fiorano.
The 2009 ugly hybrids have nothing to do with racing.
I would be watching F1 if ferrari left. Its simple Ferrari are the most successful team in the history of F1. F1 needs ferrari, they bring in alot of money in F1 whether anyone like to admit it or not, its true.
Its not just ferrari threatening to quit, red bull, toyota, renault have also made threats. I’m sure its more to do with tactics to try and bring the FIA down a peg or two, but I really cant see the point of a two tier f1 next season.
@Zeus’ best friend – there are no drivers aides on F1 cars anymore, so the drivers do and can ‘handle the unbridled power of a fast engine’.
If there were to leave F1 the best thing they could do is go back to sports cars. Enter the LMS and ALMS and Le Mans with a brand new LMP1 car with a nice V12 in the back. As long as it sounds like the 333SP’s used to I would be very happy
. They could also run a few 599’s in GT1, that class seriously needs more entries. A few factory + customer Ferrari’s would definitely raise the profile of that class.
The other option is of course to go over to the US and run in the IndyCar Series or NASCAR, that would be an interesting change!
@Mini 360:
Better get rid off you than Kimi.
Bye the way, he’ll most likely move to Rallying.
Targa, Mille MIlga anyone?
Le Mans and sports car racing will definitely see the benefit of Ferrari resources should they decide to quit F1. And as far as Ferrari’s commitment to technology, etc. goes I would say sports car racing and Le Mans probably offers them more chances of developing ‘technology for the road’ than F1?
The flip side of F1 without Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull and Toyota? Let’s be very honest here: should these big teams leave F1 it won’t change anything. Initially at least. Come the new year There will be the same amount of cars lined up than this year, except that the manufacturer teams will be missing, replaced by privateers. Since no manufacturers will then be directly involved Bernie and the FIA boys will be able bring other rules in 2011 such as a control engine too. The racing will probably become closer, initially at least. Then at some point some brilliant designer like Adrian Newey will design a car so revolutionary that it remains unbeaten for two seasons. Then the other teams will complain that this one team has gotten ahead to far and the rules should be changed. To equal the playing field they decide to allow each team to produce its own engine and in return the FIA raises the budget cap to £60m. Ferrari, Renault and Toyota will then return but not by entering new teams: they will buy an existing team! By 2014/2015 everything is back to where we are now except that everyone is competing for less than a £100m budget.
So, those of us not happy with the next two years non-manufacturer involved “F1 GP” series will take a sabbatical from the sport and put our weight and support behind other (more deserving) race series for the meantime. To return when the ‘big boys’ return.
Or maybe Bernie and the FIA have overplayed their hand here? Nobody is saying it at the moment, but maybe the real threat is not Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull and Toyota leaving F1: the real threat which they’re dumping on Bernie and Max’s lap will be that this will be the best opportunity ever for them to start their ‘break-away’ F1 series. We all forget that the manufacturers plans for a break-away series were virtually complete shortly before the reached an agreement with Bernie and Max on the future of the sport. Now which F1 will attract the best viewing figures? One in which real manufacturers compete, without the money wasting Bernie companies running the show and one where all revenue goes back directly to all teams? Or rather a F1 that is nothing more than a glorified F3 series?
Now this is a big gamble, but one that we might not be surprised if the manufacturers win this. Not now, not in the discussions over the next few weeks with Bernie and Max. It will be won by the manufacturers making the most money from a series that revolves around making cars that go round a track faster than anything else on 4 wheels. And since they’ll be writing rules in a time of recession you can bet all you got that the rules will be simple and the costs lower and there will be no squabbling about rules, and petty things like prize money because everyone involved will have been involved in writing the rules in the first place. And then we can say good bye to F1 GP…
Some teams, Ferrari, Toyota, Renault, Mercedes, have been on about a constructor breakaway series for the last 5 years or so. I think they’re all serious, and fed up with having thier hands tied by the F1 bosses. I think they might just all pack up and go this year, to enter a new series where they can develop and test and race until they’ve spent every last penny in the piggybank. However, it won’t happen over night, and it may be 2011 before they turn up racing. But that might not be a bad thing, it may bring back all the classic tracks including Silverstone, Imola, and will certainly be looking at races in the U.S.
F1 might get better as a result, with all the new privateer teams entering you may end up with all those names recently mentioned entering the sport.
Question is, where will the drivers choose to go. And will we see a return of the F1 drivers forced to go elsewhere recently, such as Davidson, and Justin Wilson.
I will just say that Edgar (1) got it right and I haven’t read any other comment.
Thks Edgar, you got it right.
i dont think so
im praying for a breakaway series.. i honestly hope the manufacturers leave, and have F1 be filled with the privateer teams so max and bernie can get full control over the small teams. and then when the breakaway series makes it’s debut i want to watch all F1 fans move to the new series leaving max n bernie with absolutely no fan base and no money. then i want to see Honda come back and buy back the Brawn GP team then continue on in the new break away series. a series run by the manufacturers for the manufacturers.
down with the totalitarian government which is the Max and Bernie.
nascar videos go to..
http://video.google.com/v ideosearch?q=nascar&rls=c om.microsoft:en-us:IE-Sea rchBox&oe=UTF-8&sourceid= ie7&rlz=1I7GZHY&um=1&hl=e n&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iv#
F1 vs Ferrari vs Fiat good video follow link..
http://video.google.com/v ideoplay?docid=-732096037 5181402397&ei=dZ0NSs2AOsL t-Abf46nUCQ&q=f1&hl=en&em b=1
F1 1986 Mexican Grand Prix video commenty by murray walker..follow link.
http://video.google.com/v ideoplay?docid=6383566184 319627388&ei=150NSqCBIIHF -QaFkcDVCQ&q=james+hunt&h l=en&emb=1
i think it is important that ferrari stay in f1 because they have a huge hisory in the sport and it would’t be the same without them.
It won’t make much difference to be honest- it might help reduce the amount of controversies. However- I will miss laughing at some of the stupid mistakes they’ve made so far this season.
i you want to get videos on these forums just copy the url in to the comment box.
The FIA really does seem to be keen to mess up what so many people are describing as the ‘pinnacle of motorsport’. I’m not the oldest fan around. I don’t remember the glory days of F1 but it seems to me that the pinnacle of motorsport is not about who spends the most (or least) money. It shouldn’t even be about who the fastest driver is (that would give you a single make series with identical cars) or even the fastest car (that should technically be different cars driven by the same person…). It’s a team game. And the name of the game… Pushing limits. This means reaching beyond normal boundaries in every aspect: drivers, cars and budgets.
The cars should be the fastest that teams are capable of making. Not the fastest cars that currently race – only quicker than the next race series because the rule makers decide to let them have a slightly larger engine than the next formula down. When teams in Formula One were allowed to innovate, i.e. push the limits of human knowledge and sometimes surpass them, all sorts of competitors turned up on the grid. Now teams are forced to get the most out of every little bit of restricted design and to be truly competitive you have to get that last 1% of performance that costs so many millions of pounds.
Allowing for thought outside the box means that an idea like the triple diffuser comes along every few races or at least once a year, not once a decade when nobody can remember the last exciting (not controversial) thing to happen off the track and cuts costs at the same time! It also makes the racing more exciting because you never know which crazy scheme will work and which will not.
Racing drivers shouldn’t be school boys who throw their toys around when they’re caught breaking rules or whiny adolescents who complain about the car not being set up right when they’re too slow. They should be men who know how to grab the car and chuck it around the track faster than anyone else on the planet. This means that rather than simply whimpering, ‘the car is not good enough but I did my best’ they have to grab it round the scruff of its neck and throw it round the track quicker than it’s meant to go. As a wise Scotsman once said ‘loser’s wine about their best, winners go home and f*ck the prom-queen’.
And budgets shouldn’t be small. The glitz and glamour reputation of Formula One was not built by accountants saying ‘actually we could save twenty million by going two tenths slower’ or ‘that grid girl would look better in and outfit from Tesco’. It was built by men with an appetite for living life on the edge, on that line between life and death, solvency and bankruptcy, celibacy and promiscuity.
I hope Ferrari, Red Bull, Renault and Toyota do walk away from the sport. And I hope, somewhere along the way, someone has the nerve to set up a new series, the way Formula one should be: The fastest cars possible, the fastest drivers on the planet and the people who matter most about any sport getting the spectacle they want and pay for: the fans. For the fans alone I think F1 and the FIA need Ferrari, most of F1’s fans are Ferrari fans. Those that aren’t love to see them lose. One way or another they provide the heart, soul and history of what’s starting to look like a race series that’s passed the point of salvation.
The way forward…? Stop the FIAs incessant meddling and implement only 3 rules:
1. Only drivers who have been awarded Top Gears’ ‘Campaign for Real Racing Drivers’ award can compete: who needs a super licence when you have a ‘Sex: Breakfast of Champions’ badge.
2. One rule only for designing cars: here’s the line don’t cross it.
3. Spend whatever the hell you want, just don’t complain when you lose your house.
Mosley has not backed down, according to some websites, He’s set on getting rid of the teams with any power in the sport, and keeping the ones that will do as they’re told it would appear. This is quite possibly the end of this era of F1. I don’t think he will budge now. I’m not realy clear in what possible benefit there is in destroying the sport. What will Moseley gain from this in the long run. F1 will become a second rate racing series, that no one is watching. I hope Ferrari, Renault, Toyota, Mercedes and so on tell him to shove it, and break away now. The man is either a real believer in what he is doing, or has a reason for needing F1 to come to an end
Open up A1 GP to manufacturers. Ferrari already make the cars and could represent Italy, Renault for France, BMW for Germany, Toyota for Japan and Williams for the UK. Who makes cars in Finland for Kimi?
how to make f1 cool again, engine in the front, drive to the rear, 4 speed h-pattern box, no computers, drum brakes, crossply tires, no sponsors, no computers at all! (carburetter engine), truly sexy cigar shape bodies.. basically, take it back to when fnagio/hawthorn and moss were racing, itll be cheaper than the current sport, a qhole lot more exiting, definaitly sexier, and provided you tell the eu to shove there emissions laws up there hiney and give the cars howling six cylinder engines with pipes like artillery peices, a whole lot better sounding too.
Two tier won’t happen, and Mosley will get his cap. It’ll be more £70-£100 million though. He seems bent on annoying the teams after the huge lack of support he got last year during sex scandal. He’s got to be careful though, because I can guarantee Bernie will be reminding him, they can’t affor dto lose the teams. With FOTA so united, whos to say the teams wont go from their own championship with rules they like if the cap goes ahead ? It’s not entirely impossible anyway. Which would kill F1, though to be fair, I don’t think Bernie would let Mosley hurt his finances like that.
@83
Great comment.
Are you Jesus?
The FIA is destroying F1 slowly and that sucks donkey gonads!! Ferrari, Renault and Red-Bull are not my favorite teams, but to see them go would be a great shame. And F1 for me, would be dead. It’s like playing a well known game and the main characters are not in it. It might be good, but it’s just not the same.
I hope they don’t change. When a company run by grown men resorts to these toddler tactics to get their way it drives me nuts. You are grown men, act like it.
@ 83
WELL SAID!!!
I AM CERTAIN THAT WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THE 40M EVEN THOUGH MY GOD FRIEND MICHEL IS SURE THAT WE WILL STAY IN FORMULA 1.
AM I GOOD AT COMMENTRY?
Woah, what’s up with all the Youtube spamming?
I have a incling that all this is a ruse to get soem new teams to sign up, with the prospects of a low budget and technical freedom. After they get a few signups the FIA will indeed negotiate with existing teams and fota and make them somewhat satisfactory, and at least make it so that they enter next year.
Its bad times, recession and all, and they sly devils mosely and ecclestone just conjured up a way of exploiting some money from new sources.
nascar is boring
for americans with big beer bellies
and as for ferrari
watch that space!!!
ferrari is not going to quit F1 full stop
I don’t care all that much about Ferrari F1, so for me they can leave if they want to. The years I tuned out of F1 where when they were winning constantly and it was very boring indeed.
A lot of people do seem to care a lot however and maybe in future they can watch Ferrari win constantly in a series where they can race against themselves if they want.
I think it would be unfair if Ferrari had built themselves into a huge, wealthy team through decades of racing success only to have that success rewarded by being forced to cap their budget.
They haven’t though; they’ve been largely owned and funded by Fiat for ages who have used the Ferrari brand to sell road cars and Ferrari have used F1 as a huge marketing exercise. They have had money thrown at them from a volume car manufacturer in order to keep winning. Clearly this is Toyota’s plan also and unsurprisingly they also don’t like the new rules.
Ferrari are a now a car manufacturer concerned with profits against tough competition. All the romantic stuff about passion and emotion people talk about is little more than them reciting the advertising blurb they’ve been fed to capitalise on the same old “Italian values” the get rolled out time and time again by any number of Italian brands.
So, Ferrari F1, if you’re too big and lumbering to move with the times tough luck I’m afraid. If you care about the staff you might have to lose create jobs for them outside the F1 division. If you’re too fabulous to lose then get out and create your own championship where you can dictate the rules.
amen
if you want to get youtube videos onto tg fourms just copy+paste the url
nascar is good check out the website.
http://www.nascar.com/
thanks ralf
IF…………..
FERRARI QUIT F1 THAT MEANS THEY WON’T BE ABLE TO MAKE BRILLIANT CARS LIKE THE 599, 599XX, AND OF COURSE THE F430.
How important is it that Ferrari stay in Formula 1? You’ll have seen in the papers that the Scuderia are talking a lot about leaving if the FIA’s proposed rules don’t change for 2010.
To keep pushing the point (‘No really, we’re leaving! We keep talking about it so it must be true…’) Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo today said that they’ve had lots of comments of support via their website.
He stated that if Ferrari were forced to leave F1, they’d go and race in other competitions.
“Racing is part of Ferrari’s DNA and this is something that will never change,” he said, likely thumping a Prancing Horse-embossed desk with an expensively manicured hand.
For my part, I still don’t believe they will leave, or are even seriously considering it.
They’re just making the point that the FIA needs them in F1, along with Renault and most of the other teams who have kicked up a fuss about the 2010 two-tier rules.
Apart from McLaren, who are staying strangely quiet.
There’s an interesting piece on Pitpass, where they wonder aloud if the FIA have something over Martin Whitmarsh’s team that’s keeping McLaren schtum on this.
The team were, after all, let off rather lightly over the lie-gate PR disaster.
Back to Ferrari, though: hypothetically, if they do leave F1, which race series would you want them to go to?
Le Mans is an obvious one as they’ve done it before, but what else? GP2? Touring cars? NASCAR?
Kimi would seem well suited to the latter at least, where he could eat as much ice cream as he wanted.
But as long as they keeping making ace roadcars, we’ll be happy.
Won’t we?
very because they are the team responsible for breeding supreme drivers.
F1 just wouldn’t be the same without them
Alonso wasn’t bred at Ferrari, Hamilton wasn’t, Raikkonen wasn’t (he’s actyooallee become a bit of a pillow now he’s at ferrari; doesn’t do anything!), Senna wasn’t. if i wasn’t tired probaly could name more supreme drivers who weren’t bred at ferrari.
they have a tendency of signing drivers doing the bogs dollocks, they don’t ‘breed’ them to become champions.
A formula without the snobbery of Ferrari would be a nice fresh, clean slate to start working from in my opinion. A team who finds themselves in a competitive situation and takes to the court rooms to try and retain the upper hand has no place in racing today, their ethos has changed this last decade.
and the simple solution? Accept the cap, Save £200million pounds, build a faster car as a result, stop bitching and go racing.
Like it or not, Ferrari is the heart and soul of F1. Anyone who has ever been in Maranello or at Fiorano or at Imola knows that. Even in the 80s or start 90s it gave more goosebumbs to c Mansell or Alesi drive the Ferrari V12s than Senna the McLaren and even he knew, it was a open secret that Senna was planning to end his carreer with one or two seasons at the Scuderia. He must have been told by Berger about the atmosphere passionate. Sorry guys, I have a hugh respect for all u Brits in this game but Ferrari will always be something very special.
But if F1 stays as it is with the ugly wings and KERS they´d better leave, even a Toyota Prius looks better than today´s F1 cars
You’re right, they were the heart and soul of f1 in the 80’s and 90’s. If yoo didn’t adore them, yoo had huge respect for them. But they’re slowly (but surely) cornering themselves. I would be sad to see the end of the Ferrari-McLaren battle, because that’s all I’ve ever known those two teams to be doing (I’m 18), but nowadays when something doesn’t go their way they throw a hissy-fit, which has drained all my respect for them – and people criticise Lewis Hamilton(!)
In this era where yoo have an unbearable little man running the commercial side of the sport, more and more casual fans are turning to f1 not because of Ferrari, their fans are already here, but because Hamilton won the championship, because Brawn are winning races, because everything has been turned on it’s head.
I’m kinda confusing maself with what am trying say but my point is that the time has come and gone where Ferrari were the backbone to F1, that isn’t how it works anymore (whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing is another point).
Ferrari, Renault, Toyota and Red Bull (spot the odd one out…) need to recognise that the budget cap is killing two birds with one stone; lowering costs allowing for better innovation, and bringing in new blood to the sport, i.e. WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, whether diehard or casual.
I just hope that if FOTA has their way and Max’s power is reduced or even taken away in rule-making, it doesn’t flow over to Bernie Ecclestone, cos then the crap’ll really hit the fan.
Ferrari rally car? Now that would be interesting. Never gonna happen, though. Would be cool to see someone attempt to get an F430 through the muck.
I agree with 88 and 91, well said 83!
There was talk of a break away group of teams going off and forming their own series at one point, if they could get Ferrari, Renault, Mclaren and a few other teams we might actually get back to real racing with less politics and in my opinion that would be a good thing. Get the FIA and Bernie out of the driver seat they are old and far past their time, they have been killing the sport off for monetary gain for decades now.
However, if they dont go off to form their own series it would be a huge blow to F1 and I think a lot of people would stop watching it. While I dont think Ferrari would be overly happy to leave F1 the fallout would be huge and it would be a very different sport. I dont see Ferrari really going off anywhere really though, maybe Le Mans but they are F1, F1 is them
What team is more polarizing than Ferrari? None, millions of fans absolutely love them and millions of others hate them. Thats what brings soul and character to F1, without Ferrari its just another passionless race series. Who are all the McLaren fans going to laugh at when no Ferrari’s finish? All successful sports have teams that are larger than life, teams that polarize opinion. Losing Ferrari will be a massive blow to F1, not just in the loss of supporters and money, but in the character of the whole championship.
ferrari WRC anyone?
Off course not. Rally lost it´s soul long ago after Group B was banned. They should kick the FIA out whit it´s sick idears and go back to last yrs regulations (on slicks).
btw .. not to sure if Bernie is too happy with Max these days. He is no fan of plain meaningless white cars winning races and have this feeling he also hates this yrs ugly hybrids. The FIA should do it´s job on the background, all we talk about last yrs is the FIA. Bring the coolness back in F1, skip KERS, bring the wings in proportion, let them test and protect venues like Silverstone and Imola over tracks wzout soul like Turkey or Bahrain.
i still think a group b-esque F1 would be the best possible result, Ferrari or no Ferrari next season. no limitation Formula One… am i dreaming?
I they should invest a bit more money in Super GT, it might also mean that they actually broadcast Super Gt in Britain
i agree with 114
WHO IS THE BEST RACING DRIVER EVER?
F1 IS GETTING WORSE BY THE YEAR BECAUSE THE DRIVERS ANN’T DECIDING THE RACES ,THE FIA ARE.
Mosley’s always been part-bluffing these days. When he said “no Ferrari, no problem!” I bet its out of pure anger, or he’s just intimidating Ferrari that he’s not scared, and hoping Ferrari would call off their bluff… Didn’t happen. Worse, more teams are joining the “renegade Ferrari” now. Mosley’s losing ground… And possibly F1…
I’ve always followed Ferrari in F1, it would be such a shame to see F1 without Scuderia in there somewhere. Although, if Aston Martin joined F1 (with their Gulf livery war paint) I know which team I would want to follow =P
Wow, could you imagine a Scuderia Ferrari 599 touring car? or a 430 NASCAR?
A full-on GT1 programme. The 599 looks like a great race car.
There’s simply no point holding on to a team that does not to want to participate in F1 anymore. Ferrari is indeed a big Name, but not bigger than the sport itself. If they believe they can’t be in F1 anymore, I say let them go else where(Le Mans or NASCAR). I’d be sorry to see them go, but life goes on & so would F1.
However, over the past years F1 has become more politically dominated. It seems these days the politics off the track is more important than the races on the track.
In my view the two tier system is rather discriminating. The FIA should opt for just one system and ask the teams willing to participate to comply with the regulations. This should not be up for bargaining or haggling.
F1 is but a pale shadow of what it was. Rip the wings off the cars, restore the tracks to what they once were, and let us see some real racing again.
Yes, basically I’m saying turn the clock back about 40 odd years, as far as I’m concerned open wheeled racing hit it’s high point in the mid to late 60’s, the cars weren’t much slower than today, and the courses were in a word exciting. Compare the Monza of then to that of now, or Spa, and most of all the Nurburgring to the pityful version of today.
Ok, rant off for now.
Max mosley has destroyed f1!!! The rules have made less overtaking and this 40m cap is a load of crap!!! And he is trying get ferrari to quit!! It’s not f1 without ferrari! I wish this era of cars hadn’t started(2009)It ruined f1 and them cheaters brawn are losers!!!
BURN IN HELL MAX MOSELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what is going on with F1 No Ferrari Renult Toro Rosso Red Bull thats 8 top flight F1 cars. Worse still maybe more than lets say they lay off some more staff and the suppliers lay off that several thousand families looking for work. Im sorry Max but do we want that in the currant climate ????
If they want to cut costs then take the time out off wind tunnels. Stop the fancey turning vaines and make the wings huge and make the side pods wings too but make them long and smooth like we had in the 80’s
I’d be happy for maranello to burn to the ground. Screw them, if they don’t want to play the game will go on whilst they flounce off. I really couldn’t give a damn where they end up; though I’d enjoy seeing Audi whip their sorry ass at Le Mans.
Todays drivers wouldn’t have the guts to get into a Lotus 49, or an Eagle, and push it around Mosport, or Watkins Glen like Jim Clarke did. Mosley and Eckelstone have killed this sport imo.
Ferrari is F1… whether you love or hate team Ferrari when they leave there will be a massive downturn of ticket sales, media coverage and fans flocking to other racing events.
Might not be the end of F1, but will be the end of F1 as the highest form of racing.
I think that ferrari and the rest of the teams wil only leave if MAX doesn’t sling his hook and leave the FIA. seen as he is the reason that F! has been through the doldrums with its raft of tech changes each season for the last 10 seasons, most of which have resulted in less close racing and diluted the technical spectical of the sport.
And as bernie would rather keep ferrari then see Max stay i reckon Max’s days of running the sport like dictator are over! fingers crossed anyway.
regardles of whether ferrari stay or go, i think they should still enter le mans using some variant of the old 3L v10’s to power the car and take it to those heathen diesel rockets that audi and Pug enter.
If it can live without Lotus, a name that actually MEANS something to the sport, Formula One can live without Ferrari.
^ wot u on about LOTUS means something to the sport..!!! Enzo ferrari lived for GP racing… back when he was a race driver then team boss (Alfa Romeo) then Scuderia Ferrari..
only reasom Ferrari made road cars was so he could go racing.. but i do think they should think about Super GT or maybe powerboat racing 
lol
To tell you the truth… Does Mosley really cares about what the public, the bunking brigade (ferrari, renault, etc, etc…), (and maybe us at the Sunday Afternoon Club) think about about him and his death-wished F1?
(note: could it be that if he really does care he would’ve resigned by now?? =P )
There is only one sport that rules. The Fota and Ferrari should kick some ass at the FIA! Skip KERS, bring the wings back to last yrs dims and run Q3 on empty fuel. Simple ingredients to bring the real fans back!
agreed with 133. give the teams freedom. let the cars be monsters, not just computers…
Mallinson, take a look at the history of Lotus before indulging in histrionics. Pay particular attention as to why they built road cars, and how long it took them to notch up 50 F1 GP wins, particularly compared to ferrari.
well said 124
http://cupholder.blogs.to pgear.com/2009/04/27/bump -draft/
599 rules
http://cupholder.blogs.to pgear.com/2009/04/27/bump -draft/
Who cares if Ferrari leaves motorsport?
Brawn are the new Ferrari now
WHO
IS
THE
BEST
EVER
RACING
DRIVER
?
the boys go to vietnam follow link.
http://video.aol.com/vide o-detail/top-gear-vietnam -special-part-1/237468660 4
tiff finds out which is beter an enzo or a mclaren f1
fifth gear is boring!
Overhaulin’ Transform a Wreck
http://tlc.discovery.com/ tv/overhaulin/game/game.h tml
WHICH IS BETTER TOP GEAR
OR
FIFTH GEAR
@mr.t 144: awh c’mon… thats yank stuff =P
@m.mosley: Obvious, TOP GEAR.
YankeeDoodle ?
@ M.MOSLEY TOP GEAR Obvious
@M.MOSLEY IT’S HARD TOP GEAR OR JUST A LAUGH BUT FIFTH GEAR IF YOU REALLY LIKE YOUR CARS.
FIFTH GEAR ALL THE WAY!!!
Getting back to the point you idiots. F1 can live without Ferrari but it couldn’t live with just 6 teams.
If Ferrari try to go into any other motorsport they are quite frankly stuffed. Max is in charge of the fia. The fia control motorsport. Ferrari will always have him breathing down their neck unless they break off with red bull etc and make something new like formula up-yours-max-we-ain’t-gon na-do-what-you-say. Plus the way max is going by 2012 all drivers will have to be 6 ft, White,Christian, blue eyed and blonde. Any driver who dosnt do this will be sent to concentration camps to have their nails pulled off with rusty pliers. This is what Hitler did and hopefully it will end the same way
P.s. Brawn are not Ferrari
Ferrari can’t enter le mans now that they have apposed a two tier sport so strongly
And DDDDIIIIEEE IIINNN HHHEEELLL MMMAAAXXX MMMMOOOSSSSLLLEEEYYY YYYOOOUUU IIIDDDIIIOOOTTTIIICCC OOOLLLDDD FFFAAARRRTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Before I kill you like you killed the reason I watch f1.
well said 151 completly right
151(MARK)? WHATS WRONG WITH MAX MOSLEY,HE MAKES F1 POSSIBLE AND YOU CAN DO IS POST STUPID COMMENTS
Ferrari are just being absolutely pathetic, it’s like Man U signing a really good player for very little and then Chelsea saying that’s unfair were not playing anymore. Is it that Ferrari are scared they can’t compete if their budget is cut?, maybe there actually the worst team in terms of talent but are able to compensate by throwing huge sums of money at their team. As for Toyota there pathetic, always have been always will, Japanese manufaturers don’t make cool cars, they make practical/dull family cars, look at lexus and honda, there not in the sports car business, it’s like Ferrari making a 7-seater peopl carrier. Renault are just funded by the French government and are similarly pulling a strop. It’s all absolutely pathetic, get on with it and if your not happy deal with it.
sorry THE STIG
155, just remember Toyota has won every class they ever competed in, except for F1 (as yet). They do love racing.
McLaren is indeed quiet… Maybe something to do with that tuned Audi Q5 in that wellknown colorscheme? Since the AMG black label series, McL and Mercedes have been scrapping all over the place and now Brawn/Mercedes has McLaren/Mercedes well brwned as well. They (McL) have stated there certainly won’t be another McL/MB road car, like the SLR. Hmm… I think McL and Audi are secretly courting.
155, Honda not in the sportscar business? Consider the Honda 2000. OK, granted that it is not in production after this year, but still a very nice piece of iron.
And I still stand by my position that F1 as it is today sucks big time, turn the clock back to the mid sixties.
An addendum to 158, Toyota and Datsun (yeah, I know I’m dating myself with the latter…) both have build a couple of nice little roadsters, the NR2 and the Datsun 2000. I especially like the latter, it was like a MGB or TR6 with the exception that it would start every tíme you turned the key, and didn’t bleed oil.
156 go away stop using my name.
Ferrari is primarly a race team. Enzo only made cars to fund f1. They should have their say, they do hold a veto which the fia gave them. They should have thought over the cosequences before giving them that advantage and then gurning about ferrari
And like I said before a differnt aolution for a budget cap is needed or they are utterly buggered
Die max etc etc
@the stig
Max is an old fart all he does is make stupid decisions and be hated by people. I could do that. I could do it.
Ferrari are arguably the most important team in F1. They’re the only team who’ve been in F1 from the start, they’re also the most successful team there. Losing Ferrari would be losing part of the history of the sport. The sport has to look forward, but without being careless about it. If the FIA thought about it a bit harder; they impliment a budget cap with out losing any teams. This all down to Ecclestone and Mosley and their ridiculous way of running the FIA, if anyone goes; it should be them.
As a matter of fact, this proves what I’ve said all along; the FIA are NOT biased towards Ferrari. It might have seemed that way last season because Hamilton and McLaren were so damned dirty, they couldn’t help themselves cheating. They’ve carried on this season too and been let off lightly, may I add.
Ferrari will really leave F1 because the sports have always create new rules and regulation such as the increase of front wing in 2005 and engine displacement changed from 3000cc to 2400cc. The worst is the horsepower drops from 920bhp to around 750bhp. This year the rule required a drop from 19000rpm to 18000rpm. The budget cap was really ridiculous, and why it is to be set?
GO AWAY 160 AND STOP USING MY NAME!
ferrari should leave F1 and create another racing chanpionship with the best and most respected teams in history:
- ferrari
- mclaren
- renault
- williams
- lotus
- honda
- brabham
and some others. no budget cap, slick tyres, traction control but not much electronic aid. forget this FIA crap and let’s start again from the beginning!
165 die or get raped by max but for god sake stop using my name or I will give your virginity away to a Russian dog
Just yet another show of Ferrari spitting out the dummy cos they ain’t getting their own way!!!
Yes, i know it won’t be the same without them… but i dare someone to call their bluff
good at least we wont have to suffer burning our eyes on alll that marenello gear in the pit!!!:P
The F1 without Ferrari, is like day without sun on both sides for Ferrai and for the sports world. I agree with the fan that says Ferrari is Pressuring the F1 administration, the only way to see Ferrari out F1 is rolling down the curtain.