Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel pulled it out of the bag during qualifying in Istanbul for the Turkish Grand Prix, and not surprisingly, he looked pretty chuffed about it.
However, with Ross Brawn’s comments that Button and Barrichello will be stopping around lap 17 – Button will surely get the most optimal stop at the time – and DC saying that the Red Bull would be pitting, ‘probably two or three laps shorter,’ the Brawns are looking well placed for another win tomorrow.
We’ll have to wait until the official weights are posted later on though to get a true picture of who’s sitting where, but we’re surely in for a great race. (I’ll be driving to Cornwall in a bit though, so when you see the weights, please post them in the comments.)
Mark Webber also threw down a good run for fourth, just ahead of Toyota’s Jarno Trulli.
Both Kimi Raikkonen and Felipe Massa’s Ferraris are in sixth and seventh respectively, which puts Massa’s fourth win in a row at Istanbul in doubt – barring any massive calamities for everyone in front of him.
Renault’s Fernando Alonso lies in eighth, Williams Nico Rosberg is in ninth, and Robert Kubica – in an improving BMW – in tenth.
Lewis Hamilton continued his nightmarish season, not managing to get his McLaren into Q2. Defending his World title from 16th on the grid is practically impossible.
For a full rundown of the qualifying times, check out BBC Sport’s site.
Go on, call the win tomorrow. I just can’t rule out Button, so my money’s on him.
The best thing about the qualifying is the lack of any red cars in the first three rows. Barring a massive collision in turn one, Massa’s streak looks to be over.
Well, at least not the red car in question (in the first three rows, that is).
its amazingly funny how Eddie Jordan’s getting pommeled by Coulthard each time he opens his mouth haha!!! Vettel FTW!!
For me… I’m so happy tha Toyota looked quite strong this weekend, Trulli had a better time than Glock; but I’m sure the latter will bounce back to the points zone during the race.
As for Vettel; he deserved it completely… a good 2 stints in the final Q3, & he had every right to celebrate it (along with his team in the paddocks)!
The new order is back… Brawn, Red Bull, & Toyota; I’ve got my money on those for next year (if; they all stay, that is!).
*Note:
BMW looked live since a very long time, so they might be in the points zone tomorrow!
where hamilton come ?
16th!
YES! Go Vettel! I really, really hope he wins tomorrow
I think you’re wrong if you think the Ferraris are over this weekend. Look at the times in Q1 and Q2, I think they’re going for one stop less than the cars on front. Plus they have the KERS so slooooooow drivers like Trulli or Barrichello should not be a problem to overtake.
So I think the win will be either button or vettel and the ferrais just behind them or even fight with them
I do hope somebody else gets a chance at the front tomorrow other than the Brwans. And if a Brawn does win I hope to God that it’s Barrichello… I think he needs to show the team that he’s not a number two.
hopefully lewis can do what all the great champions do and put on an amazing performance and storm his way back through the field. Also come on rosberg and the williams boys!
David @ 9
How can you say Barrichello is slow? He’s probably one of the quickest drivers out there.
P.S. You’re right bout Trulli, he sucks!
Button will win in all probability but I’m hoping, just for the sake of an interesting rest of the season, that he does’nt. Although, there is’nt much about him which would suggest so. I mean, the guy has been ruthless, and dare I say starting to remind me of a certain ‘Herr Shumacher’ and there’s no reason for him not to do so, he’s got the car to do it with and the backing of probably the most skilled technical staff/strategists on the grid.
n’t not ‘nt:
Doesn’t & isn’t not does’nt or is’nt
Anyway…
Where are the weights?
^^ I’m waiting for them too.
Brawn always winning is boring, Vettel for the win!!!
01 McLaren Mercedes Lewis Hamilton 696.5*
02 McLaren Mercedes Heikki Kovalainen 665.0*
03 Ferrari Felipe Massa 654.0
04 Ferrari Kimi Räikkönen 658.0
05 BMW Sauber Robert Kubica 664.0
06 BMW Sauber Nick Heidfeld 681.5*
07 Renault Fernando Alonso 644.5
08 Renault Nelson Piquet 689.6*
09 Toyota Jarno Trulli 652.0
10 Toyota Timo Glock 689.0*
11 STR Ferrari Sébastien Bourdais 701.0*
12 STR Ferrari Sébastien Buemi 686.5*
14 RBR Renault Mark Webber 656.0
15 RBR Renault Sebastian Vettel 649.5
16 Williams Toyota Nico Rosberg 660.0
17 Williams Toyota Kazuki Nakajima 680.4*
20 Force India Mercedes Adrian Sutil 668.5*
21 Force India Mercedes Giancarlo Fisichella 688.5*
22 Brawn Mercedes Jenson Button 655.5
23 Brawn Mercedes Rubens Barrichello 652.5
Button for the win!
Cool track but guess we r gonna c same as all season. Kers and funny wings for more action??
Last yr really was better. The toprunners of last yr have so bn screwed by the fia with it´s bloody kers… Now we have ´virgin´ white cars with drivers in nurse overalls on top, how glamarous F1 can be..
button is not winning
@Ben Ashcroft I say barrichello is slow, because he is globally compared to button (and was compared to schumacher).
But i was wrong about the ferraris today, they’re not heavier than the brawns and vettel is lighter than button, so sadly the race is over (sadly for us, not for button)
Thanks 4 that David.
Went to see angels and demons last night with Mrs H (she’s georgous). Black alpha cop cars almost as good as JC’s; But I think Ross Brawn was the hitman guy.
The provisional grid with weights:
1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 649.5
2. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 655.5
3. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 652.5
4. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 656
5. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 652
6. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 658
7. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 654
8. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 644.5
9. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 660
10. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 664
11. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 681.5
12. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 680.4
13. Timo Glock, Toyota, 689
14. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 665
15. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 668.5
16. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 696.5
17. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 689.6
18. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 686.5
19. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 688.5
20. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 701
poooh brum brum brum
Jenson has two full laps of fuel more than Seb and one more than Rubens.
Mark will probably come in on the same lap as Jenson.
Kimi is one lap heavier but I don’t think it is enough to make it count.
My type: Jenson Button followed by Seb and then Rubens
Button uses his tyres much better than any of the front runners therefore he should be able to jump Vettel in first pit round.
Providing that they all get trouble free start, and Vettel doesn’t get hot headed as he did in Australia.
Shoot. I am a Geek.
It is so dissapointing that Mclaren cannot get into Q3 on circuits like Turkey. Hamilton only 16th… I hope Button will win tomorrow but I think it will not happen. Anyway – GO Button!
@ 10. hopefully lewis can do what all the great champions do and put on an amazing performance and storm his way back through the field.
Keep dreaming mate. LEWIS ISN’T A GREAT CHAMPION! All he is showing this year is that he is totally incapable of getting his team motivated and improving. In 93, Senna was all over the place in a rubbish car, in 96 Schumacher won three races in a car didn’t need a pit lane speed limiter. Where is Hamilton… 16th. once again !
A while ago he promised the world that he was never going to lie again, now he’s telling us on Friday he’s happy with McLaren’s progress and speed ??
He is laugh, and nowhere nearly anything of a great champion.
That Louise is a disgrace for the Senna helmet.
Remeber how a real F1 hero got 5 cars in 1 lap at the small track of Donington in the rain.
Hamilton can pass a Force India hopefully before turning 12th in the end.
He proved again that a fast cars can be driven by anybody. But a fast driver can get good results with almost any car.
And even Sutil is faster!! hahaha
When you would deduct de weight of the KERS from Lewis, he actually drives a car that is lighter the the cars behind him.
McLaren has front end made of broom stick with action of dinning table. This car is not capable of going round corners.
I think it will be good expirience for Lewis to be humbled. Look what id has done for Jenson.
Wonder how it will look next year if Rosberg jumps in to silver car. If they are still in F1 that is.
Not a bad idea.
I wonder to wich team Lewis will go to then if Rosberg joins McLaren.
Heikki is the faster driver of the two.
However, the pace of Rosberg is also quite nice.
I think Rosberg will have his hands full… of Heiki !
It’s a pitty that ROn has gone, he was the best
@26 Rsh.
a)Heikki couldn’t match Lewis last year.
b)Are you saying that Alonso is Sh..t? look where he is today!
c)Kers car is subjected to the same weight limit an non kers cars.
d)KERS gives them advantage under acceleration, but destablises the car in fast corners and under brakeing. Look at Istanbuls track layout to drar conclusion.
@Van driver
Heikki was new at the team and Lewis clearly was the teams favourite.
This year he is surpassing Lewis in results after the last 2 races.
Yes, the unibrow is a bag of dogpoo. But can steer a car. But let’s face it. Passing in the pitlane Schumacher style hasn got anything o do with a great hart an beiing a top notch driver, like Heikki clearly is
@Van the driverman
I think even a fart from Lewis is faster than the Mclaren he’s driving now
McLaren will be right back on form once they translate the Italian construction manual
Oh, wait, Ferrari is nowhere this year so that’s not gonna make much difference for McLaren this season…..
Heikki finished higher than Lewis only because his driving style is not as agressive. He doesn’t push that hard hence makes less mistakes.
Unibrow was a match for the Jaw and as many say he is complete package. He can set up a car and motivate a team. Like him or not he is good. Did you see his save today? Nelson was in gravel after having a momen in the same place.
@35 Jolly Club
Thanks. Could not put it better.
I am glad that we agree in the fact that Heikki is the beter of the two McLaren drivers. Bringing the points in is the best way for a driver and team ofcourse.
Unibrow is a good driver. But clearly not as good as the Driving Gods of the past.
Nor the younger one
The last decade and a bit more the good drivers are gone. Medicore drivers are turning the wheels. Where are the Villeneuves, Senna’s, Fangio’s and Clarks have gone. And I clearly do not mean that old, stuffed Clarkson.
I din’t say Heikki is better than Lewis, I just said he isn’t completly c.ap. I was impressed after watching reminders of Turkish gp last year when he really stormed through the field and pulled some really cool overtakes.
Villeneuve might be back.At least he is trying. I think he lost his rug.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/ en/headlines/news/detail/ 090604150827.shtml
Have a look at that.
@comment 28. Rsh
(When you would deduct de weight of the KERS from Lewis, he actually drives a car that is lighter the the cars behind him.)
yeah your right but all the cars weigh around 600kg (the limit) with or without kers becouse teams can easily make the car lighter and hevier with different materials. The problem with kers the weights in the wrong place.
almost all weight over 600kg is fuel
David @19
Sorry, you’re right again, he is slow compared to them two, Schumacher more than Button, but compared to Piquet, he flies
Compared to Piquet, I fly.
Looks like a good grid i.e. no clear advantages.
Are they all on the same tyres?
only the ignorant, casual observer can state that lewis hamilton didn’t deserve the championship last year.
only the deluded and uninformed can say that a good driver SHOULD be challenging for wins in a significantly uncompetitive car.
only the downright stupid can say that Heikki is a better package than lewis. I’ve spent too long defending him. If yoo want mediocrity, go for it.
only the ridiculous can say a fair win over a double world champion was down to “luck and favouritism”.
please, people, do not use the top gear website and the backpages of tabloids as your sole source of information. It doesn’t reflect on you well. The amount of BS on these forums makes me sick.
the ‘Hamilton iz shit lolololz’ topic is getting boring now. take a step back, and appreciate a 24 year old world champion fighting with an uncivilised monster that would have half the grid into the barriers.
Yoo might enjoy the sport a bit more.
What I don’t understand is how Lewis is now seen by some as a useless driver.
When he was in the same car as Alonso he was his equal.
At the start of the season when Kimi and Massa were not scoring points it was blamed on the car.
It should be the same for all drivers (except Piquet).
Kimi, Massa, Alonso, Lewis, Vettel, Button, Rubens, Trulli, Kubica & Heidfeld are all capable of winning if they are in the right car.
Put them in a dog & none of them could win.
I have just read bit on F1 Live about this whole political batle. It said that LOTUS might be back next year.
Does anybody know anything about it?
i managed to find out more.
Litespeed is trying to secure Lotus name.
If succesfull it would meen British racing green back on the grid.
Now we need richards to move forward his plan to bring Aston Martin name to F1.
It all seems to be playing in to Mosley’s hands, however it’s hard to see fans dissapointed.
When I first read about it I wet my pants.
Sod the Ferrari bring on Lotus.
Yes Babe
I still can’t workout how they are going to secure drivers for next year with testing ban.
Maybe cars will have speed limiters?
Or maybe we will have more crashes net year than it touring cars.
Nelson ‘the Gravel’ might accualy be concidered hot property (surly not?)
Or maybe DC ‘the Crash’ will be back?
Oh it is getting confusing.
The redbull is so quick.
Small straight, tight first corner….Nakajima in the middle of the pack….Everyone behind him will retire….Race will be red flagged. My prediction. Oh yeh, Button will win, Webber second, Vettel third and Barrichello forth.
@ Podge 90
Sorry mate, in the Netherlands Hamilton isn’t a common subject in the tabloids. Did you know that Jan and Yolanthe split up ??
Hamilton won last year’s championship thanks to a crappy teammate. He needed a last corner miracle in the last race of the season to conquer a true racing legend like Felipe Massa (NOT!), who has been sharing wins with his team-mate all year.
If he really was THAT good, he would have been champion in August.
Since the Dutch have no contenders in F1, and no tabloids to be exposed again and again to extremely over-rated talents of any average driver, I can OBJECTIVELY say that Lewis really isn’t that great.
Furthermore, seeing him and his silver-arrow struggling at the back of the field performing legendary 16th. to 12th. comeback-races, my formula 1 TV-sessions allready became a lot more enjoyable.
Thank you very much.
is it just me or has this just become really boring
And it’s over, and guess who won? No surprises…
*insert ‘brick wall’ simile here*
you kinda prove my subliminal point. i’m not gonna bother continuing talking to people who deny facts.
how yoo can criticise someone for not winning a championship earlier stumps me.
Anywho, proud of Button again.
Congratulations to Jenson and Brawn GP who made an incredible race. But where are Lewis and Heikki? The MP4-24 appears to go around corners like an old Cadillac from the 80`s.
@charlie 51:
Good call – did you put a few quid on it?
Well done!
@55.
Who exactly is in denial if a comment of someone who totally disagrees with you is being read as proof of any subliminal point??
If your subliminal point is that Hamilton is now losing races because of a terrible car, than you subliminalirally agree with me that last year he became champion because of his good car, isn’t it ?
I don’t consciously perceive subliminalirally to be a word and I am not understanding you, yes?
@ the frying dutchman : I am not understanding you, yes?
No offence, but I get that a lot.